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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-24 00:38:21 | 显示全部楼层
3116631:
我给你找本书,你看看:

辞海,1999年缩印本,上海辞书出版社 ,第379-380页:<br>&nbsp;<font size="5"><span style="font-family: 楷体_GB2312;">从父:父亲的兄弟,即伯父、叔父
</span><br style="font-family: 楷体_GB2312;"><span style="font-family: 楷体_GB2312;">从兄:比自己年长的叔伯之子</span><br style="font-family: 楷体_GB2312;"><span style="font-family: 楷体_GB2312;">&nbsp;从伯:父亲的堂兄,《晋书 王羲之传》:“尤善隶书,为古今之冠,,。。。。。深为从伯敦导所重”
</span><br style="font-family: 楷体_GB2312;"><span style="font-family: 楷体_GB2312;">从叔:父亲的堂弟,</span></font>
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-24 00:43:24 | 显示全部楼层
比亲爸爸低一级,从父,比亲兄弟低一级,从兄,从弟
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发表于 2009-4-24 18:08:57 | 显示全部楼层
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">忠輝先生,我也请你翻两夲詞典,第一夲:四角号码新詞典,第</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">9</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">次修订重排夲</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">8800</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">页:从兄弟一同祖父毌的兄弟,即堂兄弟。另一夲:现代汉語词典</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">178</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">页</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">: </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从兄</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从叔一堂房</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">(</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">親属</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">)</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
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发表于 2009-4-24 21:21:58 | 显示全部楼层
楼上两位兄台列举的几本工具书都不错,但相比较的话我还是认同辞海的解释。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-24 22:11:26 | 显示全部楼层
关键是3116631没有在他给的两本词典上找到从父<br>四角号码新词典:<br>以语词为主,兼收百科的<span style="color: Red;">通俗性</span>语文工具书,<font size="5"><span style="color: Magenta;">主要收现代词语</span></font>,也收一些古词古义,释义力求简明,重在实用,供中等文化程度的读者使用。<br>此次第10次
修订,主要做了以下几个方面的工作:1、增添了80年代以来的新词新义,同时根据新资料对原有的一些注释内容做了补充修改,并删减了少数过时、冷僻和与附
录内容重复的复词条目,2、根据82年以后国家有关语言文字规范文字,修订了字形、字音和字义,整理了部分异形词,3、新增“西文字母开头的词语”,附录
都根据新资料进行了修订甚至改写,同时新添了《中国少数民族简表》、《中国行政区划简表》。<br>经过修订,第10版共收单字11900多个,复词23700多条。
                       
       
<br><br> 现代汉语新词典:<br><br>一部以记录<a id="wikilink37" target="_blank" class="innerlink" href="http://www.hudong.com/wiki/%E6%99%AE%E9%80%9A%E8%AF%9D" title="普通话">普通话</a>语汇为主的中型<a id="wikilink38" target="_blank" class="innerlink" href="http://www.hudong.com/wiki/%E8%AF%8D%E5%85%B8" title="词典">词典</a>。<a id="wikilink39" target="_blank" class="innerlink" href="http://www.hudong.com/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E7%A4%BE%E4%BC%9A%E7%A7%91%E5%AD%A6%E9%99%A2" title="中国社会科学院">中国社会科学院</a>语言研究所词典编辑室编,1979年<a id="wikilink40" target="_blank" class="innerlink" href="http://www.hudong.com/wiki/%E5%95%86%E5%8A%A1%E5%8D%B0%E4%B9%A6%E9%A6%86" title="商务印书馆">商务印书馆</a>出版。词典中所收条目,包括字、词、词组、熟语、<a id="wikilink41" target="_blank" class="innerlink" href="http://www.hudong.com/wiki/%E6%88%90%E8%AF%AD" title="成语">成语</a>等,共约 5.6万余条。本词典注重推广普通话和促进<a id="wikilink42" target="_blank" class="innerlink" href="http://www.hudong.com/wiki/%E6%B1%89%E8%AF%AD" title="汉语">汉语</a>规范化,所以在字形、词形、注音以及释义各方面都具有革新的精神。为适应广大读者的需要,除一般语汇外,也收了一些常见的方言词语和<font size="5">旧时使用的部分旧词语,</font>以及<font size="5"><span style="color: Red;">现代书面上还常见的文言词语</span></font>。另外,还收了某些习见的专门术语。这是现在通用最广的一部词典。 <br>

[ 本帖最后由 林忠辉 于 2009-4-24 22:51 编辑 ]
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发表于 2009-4-24 22:47:23 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 <I>林忠辉</I> 于 2009-4-24 22:11 发表 <A href="http://lin.5d6d.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=10432&amp;ptid=3135" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://lin.5d6d.com/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> 关键是3116631没有在他给的两本词典上找到从父
兄台对事认真严谨,向兄台学习!
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-24 23:01:32 | 显示全部楼层
其实要相信别人,相信网络,否则,万事都讲亲历亲为,我们这个论坛好像也不必存在了,尤其是寻亲啊,帮忙啊一类的。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-25 00:40:00 | 显示全部楼层

再找一本词典,关于从父的问题就结束了

古代汉语词典,大字本  陈复华等主编,商务印书馆,2003,北京
P250页:
从父:伯父或叔父。《北史  长孙道生传》:“与从父嵩,俱为三公”。
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发表于 2009-4-26 21:43:00 | 显示全部楼层
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><FONT color=#000000>有亊沒上网,现对各帖作回应:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">11#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">: </FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从父是親的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">引証尔雅的句子</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">:” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">兄之子</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">弟之子</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">相谓为从父晜弟</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">”,.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这句子里的兄之子</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">弟之子</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">不是说兄和弟的关係</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">而是兄和弟的兒子的关係</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">当然是堂兄弟了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">称謂为从父晜弟</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">.( </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">晜字今己不见用</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">都用昆字了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">) </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这句话的意思如此清楚</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">如果要引用到林慎和林特的身上</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">就只能是兄和弟的兒子那种关係</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">也就是堂兄弟</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">你为何得出是親兄弟关係呢</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">是你把兄和弟的关係</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">不是把兄和弟的兒子关係引申到林慎和林特身上</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">所以你说林慎和林特是親兄弟</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这是你理解错了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">是兄和弟的兒子称謂从父晜弟</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">不是兄和弟称謂从父晜弟</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">16#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">: </FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">如果在汉語词典里</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从父是指父親的親兄弟</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">表示的就是親的层次低一彶</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这样说夲身就矛盾</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">既然是親的层次低一彶</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">那就是堂</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">怎么从父又是親兄弟呢</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">? </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">你不去</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">理解</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">字的詞义</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">夲來解决</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">字的认识</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">问题便解决了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">可你孤立地去看从父</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我无需一定要在两夲词典上找到从父一词</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">只要有例句便成</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">在父辈</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">有从叔</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">在祖父辈有从叔祖</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">在子辈有从兄</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">字落到那个代辈都是一个意思</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">就是堂房親属</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">落到子輩是堂兄弟</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">落到父辈是堂叔佰</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">落到袓父輩是堂叔袓</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">如果落到子辈</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">(</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从兄</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从弟</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">) </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">是堂兄弟</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">落到父辈</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">(</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从父</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从叔</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从佰</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">) </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">是親叔佰</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">落到袓父辈</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">(</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">堂叔袒</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">) </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">又是堂叔袓</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这还是</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">字的词义么</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">? </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">词典的词的词义能这样不规范么</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">? </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我根夲不管你是从兄</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从弟</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从父</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从叔</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从佰</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从叔袓</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">你只要用</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">字</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">按詞典的词义解译就是同堂親属</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我不会在</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">”</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从父</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">”</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">一词上去探討,我只从</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">字上探討</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这我在</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">15#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖上说明白了的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">21#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">辞海</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">(1999</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年缩印夲</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">)</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从父</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">: </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">父親的兄弟</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">即佰父</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">叔父</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">.( </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这里並没明确是親的还是堂的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">)</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从兄</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">: </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">比自已年長的叔佰之子</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">.( </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这里明确是堂兄弟了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">)</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从佰</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">: </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">父親的堂兄。(这里明说是堂的了)</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><FONT color=#000000>从叔:父親的堂弟。(这里也明说是堂的了。</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">你看,从父。从兄。从佰,从叔,四个“从”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">就有三个“从”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">是明确堂房的,就是从父那个“从”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">也是堂的,只不过故意含糊而己,我己径找看</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">2003</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年丨月第丨次印刷的光明曰报社出版的,周宏主编的现代汉语“辞海”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">没有上面这四例句。对从(從)字第</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">7</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">项解择为:指堂房亲属,我找了三夲词典看,对“从”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">都是这样解释。而你引证的,不是理解錯,就是夲身都说不通,你要坚持当然是你的亊,我肯定按我的理鲜來看。</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">22#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖:</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><FONT color=#000000>比親爸爸低一级,从父,比親兄弟低一级,从兄。从弟。</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><FONT color=#000000>这帖的内容说明什么呢?只能说明没有親爸爸亲,因为低一级,也沒有親兄弟亲,也因为低一级,那是什么呢?只能是堂的。</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">25#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这帖介绍四角号码新词典和现代汉语新词典,可以使读者对这两夲词典有所认识,这自然是好的,但与讨论</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">従</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">”(</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从兄</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从叔</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从父</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从叔袓等</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">)</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">是親的还是堂的无关</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">27#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">相信别人</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">相信网络</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">沒有这种提法</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">人们也不会都讲親历親为</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我觉得你只是希望别人这样</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">並沒把自己也放进去</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">28#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><FONT color=#000000>古代汉语词典两例</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">例一</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从父</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">: </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">佰父或叔父</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">.( </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这里没明确是親的还是堂的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我认为是指堂的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">因为这样才符合</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">従</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">的释义</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">.)</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">例二</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">与从父嵩</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">倶为三公</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这例只是说某某</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">某某和从父嵩成为三公</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这与从父是指親的还是堂的没什么关係.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-26 22:35:51 | 显示全部楼层
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">本打算就此打住,看了</span><span lang="EN-US">3116631</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">那么认真,忍不住还是再写几句:</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">关于</span><span lang="EN-US">11#</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">贴,《尔雅》释亲,通篇都是以</span><span lang="EN-US">“</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">我</span><span lang="EN-US">”</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">为中心。兄弟之子互谓从父昆弟,这儿的兄弟是</span><span lang="EN-US">“</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">我</span><span lang="EN-US">“</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">的兄弟,而对于</span><span lang="EN-US">”</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">我</span><span lang="EN-US">“</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">的兄(或弟)之子而言,与“我”的子关系仍然是</span><span lang="EN-US">”</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">从父昆弟</span><span lang="EN-US">“</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">。从父是昆弟的定语。对于这些从子而言,现代语所谓的叔伯就是从父。但是,要明白,这里的叔伯就是现在讲的亲叔伯,至于为什么没有亲这个字,因为当初不需要。这是我的理解。我也没有强求他人跟我一样认识,只是把我所能找到的证据拿出来。</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">关于</span><span lang="EN-US">16#</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">贴,对于“我”而言,上一辈中当然父亲是最亲的了,其次就是叔伯,至于非要加亲叔伯,就加吧,但是亲叔伯相比父亲而言,亲近的层次也低了一级,所以有从父。因为在古文本中,鉴于纸张的珍贵和以传主为中心,非要区分上一辈是叔还是伯可能必要性不大,所以从父是一个最好的选择。这也是我的理解。既然已经有了从伯和从叔表示堂叔伯,还需要从父来表示?你不信辞海,我也没有办法。</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">关于</span><span lang="EN-US">21#</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">贴,我在前面已经表明了,就比如伯父,就是是指父亲的哥哥,至于你非要加上是亲哥哥也没有错。我的伯父某某,行文时一定要写成我的亲伯父吗,好像没有必要。</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">正因为从父现在不说了,我才给你拿国内目前最权威的辞海,你还是要拿现代汉语辞海说话,那就只好你说你的,我说我的了。我从不强求别人听我的。你按你的理解看就按你的理解吧。</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">本贴中我已经给出父亲的堂兄堂弟的称呼:从伯、从叔。从父:父亲的兄弟,你非要让他们写上父亲的亲兄弟,那是你的事情了。举一个例子,介绍你的伯父时,非得说:这是我的亲伯父?</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">关于</span><span lang="EN-US">22#</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">贴,</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">比亲生父亲亲缘关系低一级的同辈长辈,不是伯父和叔父吗,你认为伯父、叔父跟父亲一样亲那是你的理解。你非要加上亲叔父、亲伯父也可以。</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">关于</span><span lang="EN-US">25#</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">贴,</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">我只是想说明,这两本词典收录词汇以现代汉语为主。</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">关于</span><span lang="EN-US">27#</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">贴,</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">这里你可能有所误解,提出疑问的是你,解答问题的是我,我说的你又认为不对,我查阅的词典你又认为不合你的理解,那我还能说什么呢</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">关于</span><span lang="EN-US">28#</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">贴:</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: -36pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="" lang="EN-US"><span style="">例一,<span style="" times="" new="" roman="" ;="" font-style:="" font-variant:="" font-weight:="" font-size:="" 7pt;="" line-height:="" font-size-adjust:="" font-stretch:="" normal;="" -x-system-font:="" none;="">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-family: 宋体;">前面我已经解释了,你可以跟词典的编撰者商讨一下,让他们再版时著明是亲伯父、亲叔父,或者堂伯父、堂叔父。</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: -36pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="" lang="EN-US"><span style="">例二,<span style="" times="" new="" roman="" ;="" font-style:="" font-variant:="" font-weight:="" font-size:="" 7pt;="" line-height:="" font-size-adjust:="" font-stretch:="" normal;="" -x-system-font:="" none;="">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span class="swy1"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">“与从父嵩俱为三公,当世以为荣。”</span>
</span><span class="swy1"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">是古汉语词典的例文,引自</span> </span><span lang="EN-US">《</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">北史》卷22</span> <span style="font-family: 宋体;">&lt;列传第十</span><span lang="EN-US">&gt;&nbsp; </span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">长孙嵩五世孙俭</span> <span style="font-family: 宋体;">俭子平</span> <span style="font-family: 宋体;">长孙道生曾孙幼</span> <span style="font-family: 宋体;">幼孙曾炽</span> <span style="font-family: 宋体;">炽弟晟</span> <span style="font-family: 宋体;">从祖绍远</span> <span style="font-family: 宋体;">绍远子览弟澄</span> <span style="font-family: 宋体;">长孙肥</span> <span lang="EN-US"><span style="">&nbsp;</span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">在北史中前面有:</span><span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<span class="swy1"> ”</span></span><span class="swy1"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">长孙道生,嵩从子也“。后面有”道生</span><span lang="EN-US">...</span></span><span class="swy1"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">,与从父嵩俱为三公,当世以为荣“。</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><br><span class="swy1"><span style="font-family: 宋体;"></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;">又查:</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><br><span class="swy1"><span style="font-family: 宋体;"></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span class="swy1"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">从子:[古代汉语词典,大字本]:侄儿;</span></span></p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 【汉语大詞典】<i class="2">侄儿。</i><i class="7">卫人立其从子圃,以守石氏之祀,礼也。<s>  </s><b class="s">《左传·襄公二十八年》</b></i><i class="8">杨伯峻 注:“从子,兄弟之子也。亦谓之犹子。”</i><i class="7">夏侯尚字伯仁,渊从子也。<s>  </s><b class="s">《<a href="http://gx.kdd.cc/5/2E" target="_blank">三国志·</a>魏志·夏侯尚传》</b></i><i class="7">先生(吕祖谦)之从子乔年既取‘卧游’二字扁先生燕寝之堂,复以是编属东阳郭君淇书之。<s>  </s><b class="m">宋 王深源</b><b class="s">《<卧游录>序》</b></i><i class="7">无锡高世泰,忠宪公攀龙从子也。<s>  </s><b class="m">清 恽敬</b><b class="s">《逊庵先生家传》<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</b></i><span class="7"><b class="s">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 这里,没有亲侄儿三字,我还是把它当亲侄儿理解。<br></b></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><br><span class="swy1"><span style="font-family: 宋体;"></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><br><span class="swy1"><span style="font-family: 宋体;"></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><span class="swy1"><span style="font-family: 宋体;"><font style="font-family: 楷体_GB2312;" size="5">最后,希望不要为这种讨论上火才好</font><br></span></span></p>

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发表于 2009-4-27 10:17:35 | 显示全部楼层
[quote]原帖由 <I>林忠辉</I> 于 2009-4-26 22:35 发表 <A href="http://lin.5d6d.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=10490&amp;ptid=3135" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://lin.5d6d.com/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> 本打算就此打住,看了3116631那么认真,忍不住还是再写几句: 关于11#贴,《尔雅》释亲,通篇都是以“我”为中心。兄弟之子互谓从父昆弟,这儿的兄弟是“我“的兄弟,而对于”我“的兄(或弟)之子而言,与“我” ... [/quote对不起各位老师都是我上传得墓志铭惹得祸,您们的认真态度让学生佩服。
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发表于 2009-4-27 19:34:10 | 显示全部楼层
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">回</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">30#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">关于</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">11#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">你原來引証尔雅。释亲,用红字标明:“兄之子,弟之子,相谓为从父晜弟”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">就是想用这句話來証明,林特和林慎是親兄弟。这句话不单不能为你証明,反而幫我証明林特和林慎是堂兄弟,这与尔雅。释親,通篇都是以我为中心沒关係。“兄之子,弟之子,相谓为从父晜弟”,意思非常清楚,就是兄弟之子称从父晜弟,不是兄弟称从父晜弟,前者是堂兄弟,后者是親兄弟,你把后者引申到林特和林慎的关係上,得出林特和林慎是親兄弟,但前者才是这句話的夲意,所以你理解錯了。至於叔佰就是親的,旡需说親叔佰,这正是我</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">15#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖说的,现在可以再说一次,林靖,公少孤依之,孤者父毌肯定不在了,如果有親叔佰在親一般还不呌孤,林特如果是林靖的親叔佰,就说依叔或依佰就成,旡需説依从父,民间这种情况很多,都是说叔叔或佰佰带大,不会说从父带大,所以我才去査从父的“从”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">是什么意思,我査了我就明白了,“从”是指堂房親属,林特只是林靖的堂叔佰,我才发出</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">10#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖,说林特林慎不同父,只同祖父。因为从父就是堂的,林靖没有親叔佰,(这里的亲字只是強调,不是非要加个亲字才表明是親叔佰)是堂叔佰带大的,正因为不是親叔佰,只是堂叔佰,但林特对林靖的恩情又很大,呌堂叔佰又显得不亲近,呌从父就亲近多了,又没違背他们的实际关係,因为各种词典对親属关係的“从”的解释都是指堂房親属,詞典的词义能和实际脱节么,会錯么,如果只是一夲詞典这样说还有可能,现在是三夲都这样涚,能错么,我推断其他詞典也会这样说,好在词典人人都能找到,不相信就找來看。</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">关于</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">16#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">贴</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">親情的层次是不拿父毌來说,來比較的,親叔佰比父親的親情低一级,这还用说么?是因为这个原因才呌从父么?(当然不是)你没有对“从”字进行探討,先认定从父是親叔佰,然后去寻找论据,把似是而非,模稜两可,或者不确切,甚至不相关的都弄上來,自相矛盾,夲身自说不通,呌人如何信服。低一級的说法,词典,辞海也不会说,我现在找來看的辞海就标有全面。嚴謹四字。从父也不是要区分上一輩是叔还是佰的必要性不大才选择的,更不是有了从佰从叔表示堂叔佰,才用从父表示親叔佰,你这种说法毫无根据,如果你肯看看词典,辞海对“从”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">的解释,你对親属关係的疏理就会很顺了,直系的:子。父。袓。親支的:兄。弟。叔。佰。叔祖。佰袓。旁支的:从兄。从弟。从叔。从佰。从叔祖。从佰袓。那会搞得那么复什,还要使到再从父,不单不通,还越说越乱,有词典统一规笵,为什么不用呢。</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">关于</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">21#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">原來就是要弄清林靖墓志銘从父的“从”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">字是什么意思才查的词典,不是我要拿现代汉语词典说话,“辞海”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">也是你先提的,不过这沒什么关係,现代汉语“辞海”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">就算和你说的“辞海”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">不同,但对“从”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">的解释不会不同,只是你沒这样理解而已,从叔。从佰。从兄都已明确是堂的了,从父怎么会是親的呢,堂的也可以这样表述的,你所以认定这句是指親的佰父。叔父。是因为你认为堂佰父。堂叔父有另一个呌法,就是再从父,这不是自己把自己搞乱么?你从那里找來这种说法,有意义么?詞典的呌法是规范的,权威的,当然也是正确的。</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">关于</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">22#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">低一级的说法己在</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">16#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">说清楚了,而“你认为佰父。叔父跟父親一样亲”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">是你強加给我的,誰会这么说呢?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">关于</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">27#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><FONT color=#000000>你说的不是亊实,不是我提疑问你解答,也不是你说的我又认为不对,更不是你查的词典又不合我的理解,你这样说我也可以这样说,夲來就是討论研究嘛,你从头回顾一下是不是这样。</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">关于</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">28#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -36pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#000000>例一,<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">你没理解我想说什么,我是说,从父:佰父或叔父,你只认定是親佰父。親叔父,这不符合词典对“从”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">的释义,如果不是呢?因为这例一不明确,親的堂的都成立的,我用得着去找编撰者商討么?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -36pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore"><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#000000>例二,<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><FONT color=#000000>我已说了,“与从父嵩,倶为三公”和从父是指親的还是堂的无关。</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><FONT color=#000000>关于“汉语大词典”</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从子,兄弟之子也”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这和“兄之子,弟之子,称谓从父晜弟”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">只是字面的不同,意思则一样,兄弟之子不就是堂兄弟么?也可呌从兄从弟,若不区分兄弟就呌从子,你看,只要是“从”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">字,就是堂的意思,从父能例外么?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><FONT color=#000000>我沒上火,你知道这是讨论就好。</FONT></SPAN></P>
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-27 21:13:30 | 显示全部楼层

接着辩论

1、关于引証《尔雅 释亲》,我用红字标明:“兄之子,弟之子,相谓为从父晜弟” 就是想証明林特和林慎是親兄弟不假。但这句话怎么可能帮你証明林特和林慎是堂兄弟呢。“兄之子,弟之子,相谓为从父晜弟”,意思翻译成现代汉语就是:我的哥哥、我的弟弟的儿子相互之间称从父晜弟。正是从这句话,我知道从父是侄辈对亲叔伯的称谓。我可没说是兄弟之间称从父晜弟。但是你说的“林靖,公少孤依之,孤者父毌肯定不在了,如果有親叔佰在親一般还不呌孤,林特如果是林靖的親叔佰,就说依叔或依佰就成,旡需説依从父,民间这种情况很多,都是说叔叔或佰佰带大,不会说从父带大”,却完全是你的想当然了,正是因为从父是过去的用法,我才说到要用辞海,而不是现代汉语词典,或者现代辞海,你不认同上海辞书版的辞海,我才是真的没有办法。“。。。正因为不是親叔佰,只是堂叔佰,但林特对林靖的恩情又很大,呌堂叔佰又显得不亲近,呌从父就亲近多了”又是你的想当然。从父多用于书面,你的三本词典中有“从父”词条吗?给出他们的释义那么难吗?<br><br>此外,‘公少孤“,通常是指父亲早亡,而不是父母双亡。<br><br>21:45:增加一些参考资料:<br>仪礼注疏<br>(汉)郑玄 注,(唐)贾公彦 疏<br><br>卷三十一 丧服第十一<br>从父晜弟。(世父、叔父之子也,其姊妹在室亦如之。)<br>【疏】“从父晜弟”。O注“世父至如之”。O释曰:晜弟亲为之期,此从父晜弟,降一等,故次姑姊妹之下。云“其姊妹在室亦如是”,义当然也。<br>谓之从父晜弟,世叔父与祖为一体,又与己父为一体,缘亲以致服,故云“从”也。降于亲兄弟一等是其常,故不传问。<br><br>

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发表于 2009-4-27 21:21:57 | 显示全部楼层
其实没必要太纠结于“从”这个字,古籍泛泛而谈,并不能确定具体关系的,侄孙、同祖不同父,同曾祖等,
单从墓志就很清晰世系了。
ps:那个是林慎密,不是林慎·······他兄弟是林特,字士奇,慎密可能应该也是字,避宋讳,称字。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-27 21:50:21 | 显示全部楼层
还是LWZflw老道,前面的标点我还没有改完,确实是林慎密,林保图
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">回</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">33#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">你问三夲词典中有“从父”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">词条吗,给出他们的释乂那么难吗,你还是孤立地去看“从父</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">”, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">只想着去收集</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从父</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">的词条</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">词典给出一个詞的释义</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">然后举个例子</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这便是你说的词条</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">在</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">従</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">其中一项释义为堂房親属后</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">再举例子</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这例子便是从</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">……</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">也可以没例子</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,( </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">现代汉语词典就没例子</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">) </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">你怎么非要有</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">”</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从父</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">”</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">的词条呢</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">? </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">它释义</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">字便可</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">干麻要释义</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从父</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” , </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这不是难不难的问题</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">是它己经把</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从父</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">包含在其中了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">它需要把全部例子一一举出來么</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">? </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">那要多厚的詞典</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">有必要么</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">? </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">在</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">的释义确定后</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">它举出的例子</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">(</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">你说的词条</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">) </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">都会符合这个释义</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">不单是我提的三夲词典</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">連你提的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">辞诲</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">和所有未提到的词典都会这样</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">所以你永远找不到你希望释义的詞条</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我己经细看你举出旳全部例証</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">都是围繞</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从一指堂房親属</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这释义说的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">只是你要往你想的去理解而己</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">像你最后挙的例子</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">:” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从子</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">兄弟之子也</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">”, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这明明就是堂兄弟</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">只是不分堂兄还是堂弟而己</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">你涚你己经给出了父親的堂兄弟的称呼</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">: </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从佰</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从叔</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">意思是堂叔佰已经有从佰</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从叔表迏了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从父就是親叔佰了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">那堂兄弟不也有堂兄</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">堂弟表迏</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">干嘛还要有从子呢</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">? </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从父跟从子分不出是堂兄还是堂弟一样</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">也分不出是堂叔还是堂佰</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从父就是堂的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">父親的親兄弟己有叔</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">佰称呼</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从父那里还有位置</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">., </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这和从子不会和兄弟并排</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从袓不会和叔袓</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">佰祖并排一样</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-28 16:03:06 | 显示全部楼层
看样子,只能是公说公的,婆说婆的了<br><br>我只是列出聊以备考,信不信各在其人。<br>又有<br>在线新华字典对亲属关系的从的解释是(http://xh.5156edu.com/html3/2702.html):宗族中次于至亲的亲属:从父(伯父、叔父的通称)。 <br><br>再从父: 父亲的堂兄弟。 明  归有光 <span class="diczx1">《赵汝渊墓志铭》</span>:“ 同鲁 於 汝渊 为再从父。”
<br><br>【再从】次于至亲而同祖的亲属关系叫从。又次一层,同曾祖的亲属关系叫再从。 清  顾炎武 《答再从兄书》:“弟之与兄分属同曾,恩叨再从。”
<br>【再从父】父亲的堂兄弟。 明  归有光 《赵汝渊墓志铭》:“ 同鲁 於 汝渊 为再从父。”
<br>【再从兄】同曾祖而年长于己者。《后汉书·杨震传》:“伏见诏书封故 朝阳侯  刘护 再从兄 瓌 ,袭 护 爵为侯。”
<br>【再从伯】与父同祖而长于父者。 唐  段成式 《酉阳杂俎·玉格》:“ 同州 司马 裴沆 尝说,再从伯自 洛 中将往 郑州 。”
<br>【再从弟】同曾祖而年少于己者。 唐  赵璘 《因话录》卷二:“ 固言 ( 李固言 ), 蕃 ( 李蕃 )再从弟,皆第九。” 宋  王谠 《唐语林·补遗二》:“ 王沐 , 王涯 之再从弟也。”
<br>【再从侄】再从兄弟之子。 唐  李肇 《唐国史补》卷上:“ 颜鲁公 之在 蔡州 ,再从侄 岘 、家僮 银鹿 始终随之。”<br><br><br><span style="color: Red;"></span><br><br>

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发表于 2009-4-28 17:11:20 | 显示全部楼层

简议“少孤”

古代说,自谦父死曰孤子,母死曰哀子,父母具死曰孤哀子;自言父死曰失怙,母死曰失恃,父母具死曰失怙恃。
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发表于 2009-4-28 17:14:17 | 显示全部楼层
因此,少孤的意思应该是:‘少小之时父亲就去世了"的意思
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-28 17:27:06 | 显示全部楼层
阿星说得对
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