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我家谱记载自先祖放始

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发表于 2009-2-19 19:48:22 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
我家谱林氏宗谱世系:始祖先贤林子放,二代祖任,三代祖仲,四代祖增,五代祖伦,六代祖端,七代祖贞,八代祖宗,九代祖欲明,十代祖松,十一代祖始明,十二代祖本,十三代祖义,十四代祖如愚,十五代族原,十六代祖起,十七代祖占,十八代祖魁,十九代祖(配云氏,子二,长昌次衍,奉汉诏迁兴化府莆田县者,即衍祖是也,昌祖安居故里,分支始此)二十代祖衍,二十一代祖富,,,,,,,,,,,,,不知道我们和哪支能论上~~
发表于 2009-2-21 17:50:32 | 显示全部楼层
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">看了“我家谱记载自先袓放始”。“</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">道光二十九年诰封。。。”。“迁南复北”。“</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">迁南复北之二”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">四帖子,说几奌看法,有错和不妥之处请指出。(一)林子放:圣嘉其问礼。。。鲁人。。。追赠淸河佰。。。追封常山候。。。荣祀圣庙。。。这些都和史料记载的林放相同,你家谱记载的林子放,可能就是林放。(二)你家谱是林子放二十代孙衍的分支家谱,(汉迁福迠莆田至明初复北,在汶上迠宅而居)二十代孙昌,安居林子放故里,(放城集)是夲支,应有夲支家谱,能否与夲支联系,以求更完善的家谱资料。(三)你家谱记载的林子放至二十一代富,只有人名,没有出生。出仕的時间朝代和其他资料,还无法验証是否正确,十九代袓,(应是二十代祖衍)是林坚</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">32</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代孙(林放是林坚</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">12</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代孙)奉汉诏迁福迠兴化府莆田县,这汉有西汉東汉,時间跨度太長,(</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">400</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">多年)现只能推算,先设定你家谱记载衍是林子放二十代孙是正确的,以孔氏世均</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">25</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">一</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">30</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年为一代推算,林子放到林衍有</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">475</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">一</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">570</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年,林放,公元前</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">519</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">一</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">476</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年为周太仆,(周敬王時)林衍推算为公元前</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">44</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年一公元</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">51</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年,(西汉元帝至東汉光武帝之间)查長林世纪</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">44</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代谱</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">32</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代孙是林就。东汉光武帝迠武元年谏议大夫,(公元</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">25</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年一</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">55</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年)</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">43</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代譜,</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">47</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代谱,</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">56</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代谱手头无资料査。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">64</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代谱</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">32</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代孙</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">是林宣,東周慎靓王時为趙大夫,(公元前</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">320</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年一</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">315</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年)</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">83</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代谱</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">32</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代孙是林鸾,東周安王時为左将軍,(公元前</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">401</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年一</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">376</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年)</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">107</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代譜</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">32</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代孙是林欣,東周威烈王時为县正,(公元前</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">425</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年一</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">402</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年)这四个版夲代谱只有</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">44</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代谱和林衍的時间相应,</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">64</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代谱。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">83</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代谱。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">107</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代谱相差甚远,我这种推算成立的话,那未,</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">44</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代谱在林坚一开闽始袓究竞几世的话题中就是比较准确的版夲,超过</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">38</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">一</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">53</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代的版夲,代敉越多,错误越多,我个人倾向</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">43</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">一</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">47</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代版夲。</SPAN></FONT></P>
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发表于 2009-2-22 16:30:11 | 显示全部楼层
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">还没看到林放有多个儿子的资料,你家谱记载的林子放至二十一代“富”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">人名中,除二代“任”,</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">七代“贞”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">外,其他长林世纪谱都没見过,“任”“贞”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">排位也珓前,可能只是巧合同名,我认为你家谱有别扵其他长林世纪谱和经考证为林放后裔的闽林世系谱:林放之子是林通(一说林鸿)的记载,是林放的另一个儿子,你家谱还提到林放的“夲支”“昌”,</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这是很有意义的,林放是林氏有名望的人物,時代又早,资料难寻,很多话题都渉及他,有关他的资料,希望先生努力挖掘。</SPAN></FONT></P>
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-2-22 20:48:26 | 显示全部楼层

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林子放,就是林放,我们这里加一“子”,表尊称,如孔子丘、孙子膑等等~~呵呵
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-2-22 21:05:46 | 显示全部楼层

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我家家谱对您这些诸多问题都有回应,集中在我家谱中的《先贤林氏宗谱序》(道光二十九年衍圣公孔繁灏撰写,也记载了我山东林氏与孔氏的特殊关系)、《林氏宗轴宗()序》(这里面对您的问题有些答案,光绪二十年先贤六十九代孙昭武都尉广誉序)、《林子世家谱序》(光绪二十年)、《先贤后裔迁南复北序》(光绪二十年)、《先贤后裔继支序》(光绪二十年)。只是因为文言文、繁体字,无标点符号,我只是把自己看懂的部分摘要发上来,绝大部分自己还没有研究透,并且自己这次春节回老家,也刚刚开始研究自己的家谱,择一二发上来,希望得到同族人的帮助~~~~谢谢您~~
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发表于 2009-5-6 00:49:22 | 显示全部楼层
呃.....我名字里有松.....
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十代祖那里也是松..- -
是不是轮回了...
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