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标题: 再谈linfenq1026先生家谱
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">linfenq</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生家谱世系的真伪只能从世系夲身考証</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">就像文物鉴定取决于文物夲身一样</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这是基夲知识</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">不能用态势</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">(</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">用今天的话來说就是大气侯</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">) </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">來鉴别的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,lwzflw</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生说</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">:”…… </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">经历了辽</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">金</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">元的统治</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">……</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">文献就这样消失了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">連唐宋的语言都变成胡言</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">……</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">大多敉的家族历史只能追溯到元未明初</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">……”</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这便是态势鉴别</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">不是说这个态势分柝不对</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">而是用这个态势鉴别不对</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">它鉴别不了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">世系各代人物的真伪</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">也像世系一样</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">取决于这个人物夲身</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">並不是</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">lwzflw</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生所说</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">:” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">唐代以前有多少个姓林的如敉家珍</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">如果自称是历史上露得上臉的人</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">而只要我不知道就是虛构的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">若这样就是以你认可为准了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">.linenq</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生家谱世系</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从林放到</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">20</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代林昌</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林衍</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林昌居故里放城</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林衍受汉诏分迁褔迠莆田</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林昌</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">54</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代林经无子</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">由林衍</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">36</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代林春继之</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">到林衍</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">54</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代林濂隋永皇赴北</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">汶上一战</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">定居汶上</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这世系脉络都很清楚</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">有宗谱记载</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">宗谱世代序列也是据早期宗轴</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">宗摺记载顺延</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">道光</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">29</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年林养道还根据宗轴</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">宗摺創俢族谱</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">只要找到宗轴</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">宗摺</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">做年代鉴定</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">不是什么都清楚了吗</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">还有永和殘碑</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">赐溢十老墓碑</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">正统四年墓碑</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">靖难之役等历史亊件考证</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">都可有助真伪的鉴别</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我们不在世系夲身堔討</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">却往自已认定的定式套</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">套不了就全盘否定</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">开头我还不理解</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">lwzflw</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生问</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">linfenq</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">”54</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代林濂能不能</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">有沒有上世世系</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">能不能接到莆田那里</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">有的话就是林氏的一大发現</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">”,( </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林濂至林放独立一支不是更大发现么</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">?) </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">又问</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">:”</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从林濂徃上敉一代一代都知道</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">而且能夠接到林禄</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">”,linfenq</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生早就在迁南复北帖中把林濂至林衍世系说得很清楚了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">他也和我一样不理解为什么问接到莆田</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">接到林禄</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,linfenq</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">沒有回峇</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">也无法回峇</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我说是两支人</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">不是一支人</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">接不到</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">后來看到</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">lwzflw</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生在</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林氏族谱所载史料</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">”11#.18#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">等回帖才明白</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">原來</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">lwzflw</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生的定式是</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">:</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林禄是林氏的全部</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">现在的林氏实际上是古代褔迠或莆田林氏的后代</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">即使你的家族不记载是从莆田來</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">也只能认定是褔迠的后代</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">必虽按照莆田的历史來</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">否则就是虛构乱來的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生如果坚持这种认识</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">用你的话说就是</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">:” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">真伪对我來说</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">艰夲就是常识</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">不需要考虑</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这就把话都说死说绝了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">那我们是无法交流的了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">但我还是希望别这样</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">望</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">lwzflw</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生再考虑</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-16 02:29
标题: 回复 1# 3116631 的帖子
3116631先生,您好!今晚我又研读我家谱,对于您以前提到的为什么从55代直接到了69代的问题,有了答案。家谱卷八说明“欲知小支流派者可查阅光绪二十年所修族谱,自六十九代起,溯本追源,向前细查,即可得各小支始祖。书写忠于原表”
看来我的推测是对的,一是我老家周边还有古谱;二是您关于家谱内容的传递性的论断也有了根据。
另外,卷八家谱对我们东平这支列举尤为详细,从55代祖一直到了我这辈。看来,我这一支老家一带(或者县志)还有旧的宗轴宗摺存着,不然家谱不会单独把我们这支用图表详细画上去的(其他支都没有)
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-16 02:44
标题: 回复 1# 3116631 的帖子
我们这支:55代祖士诚——56代祖儒峩—— 57代祖 义封——58代祖 欲()——59代祖 啟——60代祖 鲁茂—— 61代祖 大元——六十二代祖 邦贵(松支) 邦魁(柏支)以后就更加详细了。六十四代 昌祚 昌基(松祖之后)  昌裔(柏祖之后)~~~~~~家谱记载,松支69代 毓洞、毓良、毓藻道光二十年赴江南。可见我这支林氏与南方林氏交流和关系是很密切的
作者: 3116631    时间: 2009-3-16 10:30
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生,幾天沒见你露臉,真担心你,这就好,情绪平静后用心投入你的家谱研究,你的家谱是整个林氏的,你一发表我就有那种感觉,诚如你说的,“沒有一家相同”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">隨后再看你发的幾个帖我就清楚了,有影象上传是出証更好,也应該,世系真伪与否,决定世系夲身,就是世系夲身考証,其他怎么说都没用,望先生把证据收集放在笫一位,说你的世系是真的,有重大意义的,这只是论奌,要有论据,你要把你家谱中提到的一切线索。信物。逐一落实,为了林氏,辛苦也值,越往后拖,越难搞清楚。</SPAN></FONT></P>
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-16 12:56
标题: 回复 4# 3116631 的帖子
说实在的,我真的想按照家谱中反映出的线索去实地考证,去找那些散落在我族人手中的资料,只是我真的没有时间,回老家的时间也很少。呵呵呵,我到又个想法,想邀请您来山东泰山周边玩一次,我可以给您提供接待方便,另外顺便考察一次。对自己家谱,我也是很想求证,因为我感觉到自家家谱承载的信息量还是比较大的,里面提到了很多史实,特别是衍圣公的序,都值得去求证。有了佐证,就会更加明白了。
   昨晚,我研读了自己家谱很晚,把我们这支在山东的分布做了详细的对比,发现我们这支还是比较独立,发现大都集中在曲阜、汶上(古称中都,因为处于北京和南京中间,地理位置重要,成为中都)东阿、东平和河南一带,与山东胶东沿海那里的林氏不属于一支(从他们发的资料看,他们也是从福建来的,但不知道福建之前的始祖),很疑惑~
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-16 13:12
标题: 回复 4# 3116631 的帖子
谢谢先生关心!我是没有事情的,对一些事情还是持开放和宽容态度的,来这里,对遇到的每一个人,感觉很亲切,因为我们拥有一个共同的字“林”。我觉的,无论属于那个世系,只要我们都认可同一个祖先比干公,总会感到很亲切的。来这里,无哗众取宠之意,本来只是想把自己从哪里来的问题搞清楚而已,没想到还会遇到这么多的可亲可爱的族人们,高兴还来不及呢,哪里会有不好的心情呢?我觉得,争论带来的不是隔阂,而是更加理解;误会带来的也不应是怨恨,而是更加珍惜的前世之缘。在这里遇见的每一个人,都有前世之缘~~
   希望族人们,无论您属于哪一个世系,都要弘扬我祖比干公英雄气概和豪迈精神,昭昭我林氏泱泱大族风范,把论坛办好,与其他姓氏并肩耳~~
作者: 3116631    时间: 2009-3-16 19:23
< class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">多<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1ersonName w:st="on" ProductID="謝">謝</st1ersonName>先生好意,我有行动不便的老母親,还有也行动不便的爱人,時刻虽要照顾,离不开,没办法,只有拜托你了,不只为林氏,我告诉你,我是林禄后裔,林禄经专家考证是林放后裔,我家谱记载,林坚至林禄是</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">82</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代(有多种版夲,我倾向比较真实的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">37</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代谱)而专家考証,(不管那种版夲)只有第</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">2</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代林载。林瑳。第</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">12</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代林放和林禄的父親林颖这三代人明确,如果像你家谱那样,把林放作一世祖,並选择比較接近实际的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">37</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代谱,那就只有林放</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">24</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代林颖是明确的,林放第</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">2</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代林通至</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">23</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代林礼都是不明确的,而先生家谱林放笫</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">3</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代林仲至</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">23</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代林進蒙的各代兄弟,都有可能是分支出去的林禄世系,这没经考证的不是比经考证是不明确的好么,(我自己考证是用那个時间段的林氏名人拼凑的)所以先生对林仲至林進蒙的各代兄弟訉息也要收集,有关的线索都要注意,我用你</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">3#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖:(松支</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">69</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代毓洞。毓良。毓藻,道光</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">25</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年赴江南)这条訉息,用世均法:(林放)公元前</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">519</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年十道光</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">25</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年,即公元</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">1840</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年(毓洞)除(</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">69</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">一</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">1</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">)</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">=34.7</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年,你看,你的家谱平均每代年敉不是和孔聖的平均每代年敉差不多么?世均法虽然不能作为证据,(如果每代都有出生年月或出仕時间,那就是直接考证証据了)但是用作参考还是可以的,比什么都没有要強。</SPAN></FONT></P>
作者: 565093758    时间: 2009-3-16 20:14
之前的所有争论,非关人身好恶。我们之所以争论,只为一点,就是对我林氏世系考证的关注和对‘林'这个姓氏始终不渝的热爱。这是学术啊,不打不相识嘛,有不同观点,不同观念,不同考证方式,不同思维方式的相互碰撞,才能集思广益,才能使这个论坛的气氛激活,才能使真理愈辩愈真嘛,哈哈------------------
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-16 22:26
标题: 回复 7# 3116631 的帖子
从您的帖子中可以领悟到很多道理,我会努力的~~~谢谢,欢迎携家人来泰山周边玩,真的,我是一个宗族观念比较重的人,只要看见是姓林的,无论那一世系,都感觉近的不得了~在这里相遇,也许就是前世之缘吧~~~祝您老母亲和爱人都身体健康~~
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-16 22:30
标题: 回复 8# 565093758 的帖子
阿星先生,您好!非常赞同您的观点~~ 来这里的人,都是有前世之缘的,我是这么认为的,也许因为我们都姓林吧。姓林就好,属于哪一世系虽然也很重要,但不如我们现在在这里相遇相知更重要~~~我的观点虽然不一定正确,但心是真诚的~~
作者: 3116631    时间: 2009-3-17 17:12
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">赞同阿星先生。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">linfenq</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生说法</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">再次感謝</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">linfenq</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生的好意</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">携家人</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">……</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">也是旡法办到的亊</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">心领了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">7#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖说的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">37</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代譜有误</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">应是</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">47</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代谱</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">关於先袓林放</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">自从知道专家考証闽林世系是林放后裔</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林禄至林坚各代袓只有二代林载</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林瑳</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">十二代林放和林颖明确</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我就想搞清楚林颖至林放的真实的直系先袓</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">苦于没有一奌资料</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">沒有一奌线索</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">看到</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">linfenq</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生家谱出示后</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我是非常高兴的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这是第一夲林放世系</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">是目前能看到的最早的林氏世系</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">也是目前唯一的林颖至林放世系的线索资料</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">因为長林世纪从林颕父親到林放这些代辈不明确</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我这不入流的阿三阿四都能找到它的破绽</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">专家只说林放</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林颖是明确的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">别的不说</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">是专家说话严謹</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">不把话说死</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我见解就是排除了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">要不,专家不会说林氏断代。林放世系的出现,填补了这个空白,直到今天,沒有看到林放有两个或两个以上兒子的报导,排除了長林世纪中林放的兒子林通,如果</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">linfenq</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生家谱得到确认</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">那林放的兒子就只有</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">linfenq</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生家谱中的第二代林任了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林禄世系</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,linfenq</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生家譜世系</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">既然都是林放后裔</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这两支人就会有交汇</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">如果在林放身上交汇</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">就说明林放有两个兒子</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这又不符合我们知道的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">如果在林任身上交汇</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">那林任就是林禄世系的一代袓</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林禄世系的二代袓就是</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">linfenq</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生家谱中三代袓林仲的兄弟</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">如果在林仲身上交汇</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">那林仲就是林禄世系一代祖</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林禄世系的二代袓就是</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">linfenq</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生家谱中四代祖林增的兄弟</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">类推至</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">23</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代林進蒙</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">若这样就不是两支人</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">是一支人了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林禄世系只是</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">linfenq</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生家谱世系的分支</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
作者: 林金楼    时间: 2009-3-18 17:01
对你们的探索和奉献精神表示敬意!
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-18 22:59
标题: 回复 12# 林金楼 的帖子
谢谢宗亲,我们仍在努力~~
作者: 3116631    时间: 2009-3-19 17:53
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< class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 80.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 7.71"><SPAN lang=EN-US>fenq</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">据你上传资料整理这些条目</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">供你考察参巧</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">定有遗漏</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生要反覆细看家谱</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">不放过任何线索</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>.</SPAN></P>
< class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 27pt; TEXT-INDENT: 80.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 7.71; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 27.0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">(1)<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">西埠故里太和年间</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>(</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">东晉废帝年号</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">公元</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>366</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">一</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>370</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>) </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">殘碑实物外观影像</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">碑文影像</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>.</SPAN></P>
< class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 27pt; TEXT-INDENT: 80.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 7.71; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 27.0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">(2)<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">西埠故里相关文物考证</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">带回考证资料</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 27pt; TEXT-INDENT: 80.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 7.71; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 27.0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">(3)<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">宗轴</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">宗摺考证</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">宗轴全貌影像</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>,( </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">能看清内容和图像</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>) </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">宗摺封面及每页文字影像</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 27pt; TEXT-INDENT: 80.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 7.71; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 27.0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">(4)<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林衍</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>36</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代林春接祀林昌</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>54</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代涇</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, (</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林放</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>54</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>,</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林昌</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>34</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>) </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">接祀亊</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>,</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林昌</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林衍两支族谱应有相应记载</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">取回林昌这支记载影像资料</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 27pt; TEXT-INDENT: 80.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 7.71; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 27.0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">(5)<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林放</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>53</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代单传並非单传</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">收集</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>53</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代各代兄弟分支族谱资料</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 27pt; TEXT-INDENT: 80.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 7.71; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 27.0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">(6)<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>54</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代林马</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">赐溢十老</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">明洪武戊辰科第一甲第三名</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">賜進士</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">欽加统镇銜</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">查史料记载</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">做史料记载影像</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">有墓碑做墓碑影像</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 27pt; TEXT-INDENT: 80.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 7.71; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 27.0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">(7)<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">开元</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>27</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>(</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">唐玄宗年号</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">公元</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>739</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>) </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">追赠清河佰</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">宋大中祥符元年</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>(</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">公元</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>1008</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>)</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">追封常山侯</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>,( </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">史料己有记载</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>) </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">荣祀至聖庙</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">明嘉靖九年</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>(</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">公元</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>1530</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>)</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">改祀乡贤词</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">雍正二年</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>,(1724</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>) </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">复祀圣庙</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">有无聖旨文</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">史籍</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">地方志有否记载</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">做影像资料</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 27pt; TEXT-INDENT: 80.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 7.71; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 27.0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">(8)<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">永皇赴北</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林莭辞莆田復故土</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">落居肥城</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">以軍功赐爵</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">有否史料记载</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">做影像资料</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 27pt; TEXT-INDENT: 80.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 7.71; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 27.0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">(9)<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>56</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代袓汝贤</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">恩准</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>” </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">社田绪差款免</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>”, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">有否恩准聖旨文</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">做正统四年</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>(</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">明正统帝</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">公元</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>1439</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>) </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">墓碑影像</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 27pt; TEXT-INDENT: 80.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 7.71; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 27.0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">(10)<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">乾隆三十年</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>(</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">公元</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>1765</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>) </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">圣驾东巡</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">御题詩章</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">勅岱庙石碑刻下</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">做碑外观及詩文影像</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 27pt; TEXT-INDENT: 80.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 7.71; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 27.0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">(11)<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">卧碑</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">祖廟相关内容影像</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 27pt; TEXT-INDENT: 80.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 7.71; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 27.0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">(12)<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1ersonName w:st="on" ProductID="养道"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">养道</SPAN></st1ersonName><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生于嘉庆</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>17</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年会同巡抚部院</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">提督学院</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">礼部查前案</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>(</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">什么前案</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>), </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">有无聖旨内容文字</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">相关部门</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">地方政府有否记载</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">嘉庆</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>18</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年又会同九卿奏明</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">奉旨依议准允奉祀生员</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">查原奏摺</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">查奉旨原文</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">定额奉祀生员二名载在史册</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">什么史册</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">从资料査到两名奉祀生员是林春</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林兴岱</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>, </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">查这两人有关资料</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">並做影像</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 27pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 27.0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore">(13)</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">查</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>” </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先贤林氏宗谱序</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>” </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">孔繁灏原序</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">並做影像</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 80.95pt; mso-char-indent-count: 7.71">(13)<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">查</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">” </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">先贤林氏宗谱序</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">” </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">孔繁灏原序</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">並做影像</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
作者: 565093758    时间: 2009-3-19 18:40
标题: 补充14楼帖
碑记的摄影照片如不清楚,最好将碑记用宣纸拓下来,就像之前千里马的那份拓片一样,字迹比较清楚,不那么容易出错
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-19 22:13
标题: 回复 14# 3116631 的帖子
这是一个相当繁重的考证工作~~~~我的时间不允许。但我会按照您提示的13个方面努力去搜寻,一有成果即会上传的~~~不负宗亲重托。另外,对于一些历史记载,也烦请各位宗亲利用网络、图书馆藏等,帮着查阅~~~~谢谢!
作者: 3116631    时间: 2009-3-20 00:56
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">linfenq</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">告訴你一个消息</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">你上传的家谱资料</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">己被百度网作为林放后裔的资料提供给读者了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">以前我就思量过</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">中國五千年文明史不就是史料说的么</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">浩翰的史料那能一一考証</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">也不必一一考証</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">錯的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">不真实的剔除就是了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">其余的都可引用</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">你的家谱有那么多史料佐証</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">绝无问题</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">誰怀疑誰去考証好了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">但作为自已一方</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">则尽可能弄清楚一些</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">各种佐証资料可以在续俢宗譜時续入譜中</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">以其有一个更完善的宗谱</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这也是我们林氏可喜可贺的亊</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">你到那里去找林放后裔代代相传的资料</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">目前这是唯一的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我当然希望能出现更多的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">不但能代代接到林放</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">还能代代接到林坚的家谱出现</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">但希望是希望</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">现实是现实</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">有了先生的家谱</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">(</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">给他个名</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">: </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林放世系吧</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">) </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">今后再有说林氏林禄以上世代断代</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我们林氏子孙就要出声了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">不</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">! </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我们已有代代接到林放的世系</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">离代代接到林坚只差九代了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
作者: 林忠辉    时间: 2009-3-21 10:47
3116631的建议条条精准,确实如此,能够肯定的地方,就加以确认,让族谱不是一个孤证。
作者: 3116631    时间: 2009-3-22 11:15
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">linfenq</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我整理的条目第</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">(6) </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">条林马有误</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">应是林濂</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林溓为明洪武戊辰</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">(</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">公元</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">1388</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">)</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">第一甲第三名</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">赐进士</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我查了明进士有关资料</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">明朱棣</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">(</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">永皇</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">) </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">在</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">”</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">靖难之役</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">结朿登上帝位后</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">将洪武十八年</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">(</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">公元</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">1385</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">) </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">榜</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">进士题名碑毁坏</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">”, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">林溓的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">”</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">进士</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">可能查不到了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">查不到也不能说没这回亊</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">靖难之役</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">史有记载</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">所述情节相符就不是虛构</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">第</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">(13)</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">条</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">查孔繁灏是孔子</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">74</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代孙</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">清宣宗道光</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">21</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年袭封衍聖公</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">是否为我族作</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先贤林氏宗谱序</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">沒查出</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">沒査出只能涚当時的先祖没这个意识</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">没有把原序保存好</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">但有原序内容也能为证</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">补充条目</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">(14) </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">二十代袓衍奉汉诏南迁福迠兴化府莆田县</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">为何要指定南迁莆田</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">詔</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">的内容<FONT face="Times New Roman">是什么</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">?(15) </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">五十三代袓仲春</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">誥封昭毅将軍</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">查有否誥封文</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">史料</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">地方誌有否记载</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">资料我还继续查</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">知道先生忙</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">别急</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">亊情己经清楚就不要紧了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">现在不是要去求証真伪的问题</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">而是要有一个翔实的没议疑的宗谱畄给后一代</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我们这代发现</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">(</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">包括所有的林氏宗谱</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">) </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">存在的疑惑和问题</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">都应尽力去解决</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">越往后拖越难</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这也是我们的责任</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生有空時可先做有实物的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">办得到的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">如条目</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">(!)(2)(6)(9)(10)(11)</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
作者: 565093758    时间: 2009-3-22 12:23
3116631先生此言得之
作者: 林忠辉    时间: 2009-3-23 09:21
标题: 洪武戊辰科进士一甲三名好像没有啊
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  《浙江大学学报</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">人文社会科学版</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">》 </span><span lang="EN-US">2007</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">年第</span><span lang="EN-US">3</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">期</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  明代</span><span lang="EN-US">(1368</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">—</span><span lang="EN-US">1644)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">是科举取士鼎盛期,二百七十余年间,自洪武四年</span><span lang="EN-US">(1371)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">始开科取士,之后中辍</span><span lang="EN-US">12</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">年,洪武十七年</span><span lang="EN-US">(1384) </span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">重开科举试、洪武十八年</span><span lang="EN-US">(1385)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">殿试,其后大体上每三年举行一次科举试,未曾间断,共开科</span><span lang="EN-US">89</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">榜,取进士</span><span lang="EN-US"> 24595</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">人。其中洪武十八年乙丑科因其进士题名碑被永乐帝朱棣下诏仆倒毁坏,殃及《洪武十八年登科录》失传,故而该榜</span><span lang="EN-US">472</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名进士在清李周望创编的《国朝历科题名碑录初集·明洪武至崇祯各科附》</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">以下简称《碑录初集》</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">的记载中仅存</span><span lang="EN-US">293</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,李周望据方志补阙</span><span lang="EN-US">21</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,合计</span><span lang="EN-US">314</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,尚缺</span><span lang="EN-US">158</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名。问题还在于《碑录初集》所收</span><span lang="EN-US">314</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名进士中尚有错榜和非进士而收录者。目前经常参考的《明清进士题名碑录索引》</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">以下简称《索引》</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">Ⅲ所收洪武十八年榜进士照抄《碑录初集》,在</span><span lang="EN-US">314</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名基础上,单据方志又补充了</span><span lang="EN-US">108</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,共</span><span lang="EN-US">422</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,尚阙</span><span lang="EN-US">50</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名。《索引》对《碑录初集》中的错收进士一个也未予订正,而自称“据地方志补阙</span><span lang="EN-US">123</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名”</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">按:其中</span><span lang="EN-US">21</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">人转引自《碑录初集》</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">,无任何其他明代史籍旁证支撑,全为孤证,其可信度又受到怀疑。与明代其余</span><span lang="EN-US">88</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">榜进士名录较齐全、相对可靠相比,《索引》所载洪武十八榜进士录之残阙与缺乏可靠性,成了一个突出的问题。对该榜如何补阙,力求完璧,就成了明代科举史研究中的一个难题。本文所要解决的,正是这一难题。</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  为此,笔者对《索引》、《碑录初集》所据文献进行了考证,在此基础上进一步追本溯源,并旁及相关史料,厘清了有关记载洪武十八年乙丑科进士的登科录文献,如明俞宪《皇明进士登科考》、明张朝瑞《皇明贡举考》、清盛子邺《类姓登科考》等,并找到了朱元璋“御制三诰”</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">《御制大诰》、《御制大诰续编》、《御制大诰三编》</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">、《明实录》、明王世贞《弁山掌别集》、明萧彦《掖垣人鉴》、明何出光《兰台法鉴》、明谈迁《国榷》、明查继佐《罪惟录》、明焦《献征录》以及《明史》等诸种史籍中有关洪武十八年榜进士的记载,通过对这些记载进行排比、考订,终于梳理出俞宪《皇明进士登科考》是目前为止保存最为完整的洪武十八年榜进士名录的科举文献。《碑录初集》就曾参考该书。俞氏《皇明进士登科考》所记载的洪武十八年进士为</span><span lang="EN-US">472</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,与该榜殿试实际录取人数</span><span lang="EN-US">
472</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名完全吻合。为了确证俞氏《皇明进士登科考》所载名录之正确性,本文对该榜每一名进士参稽各种史料,一一予以考实,终于完成了明洪武十八年榜</span><span lang="EN-US">472 </span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名进士的发覆,可以说实现了“完璧”的学术追求。下面就《洪武十八年榜进士题名碑》被毁原因、《明清进士题名碑录》阙失症结所在及洪武十八年榜进士的发覆三个问题论述之。</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">    一、《洪武十八年榜进士题名碑》被毁原因</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  进士题名碑源于唐慈恩寺塔题名。初始,出于兴之所至,信手拈来。至唐中宗神龙间</span><span lang="EN-US">(705</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">—</span><span lang="EN-US">707)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">,同年进士于慈恩寺塔下题名,遂成为故事:“</span> <span style="font-family: 宋体;">进士题名,神龙之后,过关宴后,皆期集于慈恩寺塔下题名处”。白居易有诗证:“慈恩塔下题名处,十七人中最少年。”。宋代进士刻石题名,由朝廷出资,立碑于贡院。郡县效仿,本地进士,也立石题名。元代,国子监立进士题名碑。然唐宋元三代进士题名碑多不存,仅元有三座进士题名碑立于北京孔庙。明代进士题名碑沿元之制,立于南京、北京国子监。立于南京国子监的进士题名碑今不复存,也就是说,包括《洪武十八年榜进士题名碑》在内的前</span><span lang="EN-US">12</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">榜刻石皆不存。现存于北京孔庙的</span><span lang="EN-US">77</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">座进士题名碑始于永乐十三年</span><span lang="EN-US">(1315)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">榜,迄于崇祯十三年</span><span lang="EN-US">(1640)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">榜。崇祯十六年杨廷鉴榜未立碑。崇祯十五年史悖榜虽有题名碑,但非进士科,属特用出身科。洪武四年至永乐十年这十二榜不存,有两种情况,一是非人为所毁,一是人为所毁。人为所毁的,就是洪武十八年乙丑丁显榜;其他十一榜今不复存,出于自然原因,但在明代保存时间长,不影响其进士题名碑录、登科录之刊刻,因此广为流传。唯独《洪武十八年榜进士题名碑》是在“靖难之役”结束,朱棣夺权成功登上皇位后予以毁坏,且由于政治原因,无人敢公开再行刊刻或流传该榜“登科录”。李周望编纂《碑录初集》时,难以找到较完整的该榜“登科录”,致使该榜进士名录残缺不全。</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  明成祖朱棣何以要下令仆倒《洪武十八年榜进士题名碑》呢</span><span lang="EN-US">?</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">嘉靖二十七年</span><span lang="EN-US">(1548)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">刊刻的《皇明进士登科考》的作者俞宪说:“上</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">按:此指建文帝</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">命立题名碑于国子监。革除间,子宁、子澄皆柄用,侵削藩王,靖难师起,以奸党戮之,仆碑削籍,故部本不传。”如上所述,因洪武十八年榜榜眼练子宁、探花黄子澄皆为建文帝削藩出谋划策,燕王朱棣发动“靖难之役”夺位成功后,即将练子宁、黄子澄等乙丑科进士视为奸党戮之,并命毁坏该榜进士题名碑,予以“</span>
<span style="font-family: 宋体;">削籍”惩处。这是一个重要原因,然而并不是唯一的原因。因为曾倡削藩、并且主张先削燕王朱棣的是“顾命大臣”、兵部尚书齐泰。齐泰后被朱棣部下擒获,“被执见成祖,不屈死之,籍九族”。明成祖视齐泰为主犯之一,处以灭九族的酷刑,可见对他恨之入骨。齐泰是明洪武二十一年进士,那为什么不同时仆倒明洪武二十一年进士碑呢</span><span lang="EN-US">?</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">这里还有一个深层的原因:明成祖从侄儿手中夺取皇位,刚刚登基,首先要考虑稳定政局,赢得民心,仆倒进士题名碑在当时可是大事,所打击的不仅仅是一榜、二榜进士,而是整个进士阶层和周围的广大士人。所以,下这个决心并非易事。实际上齐泰、练子宁、黄子澄等进士谋划削藩“图燕”,起了</span>
<span style="font-family: 宋体;">“毁碑”的导火线作用,为了达到杀一儆百、不扩大打击面的目的,明成祖选取了仆倒《洪武十八年榜进士题名碑》。这是因为洪武十八年榜进士在明太祖时已“声名狼藉”,</span><span lang="EN-US">472</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名进士中居然有</span><span lang="EN-US">149</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名在太祖朝有犯罪纪录,并在“御制三诰”中都挂名列有罪状,其中有四犯死罪处决的进士王本道、三犯死罪处决的进士罗师贡。显然,洪武十八年乙丑榜进士在洪武间已有臭名昭著之嫌。洪武十八年榜进士玷污了明代进士的声誉。明太祖曾就进士汪麟犯罪评及进士说:“广东道监察御史汪麟、户部主事王肃,系洪武十八年进士。登科之后,朕尝爱惜,分布各司,于公文并不署押,政事与正官一体施行。所以不押字者为何</span><span lang="EN-US">?</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">恐见任官不才,有累进士,所以事虽办而字不押,倘有事务差迟,罪归见任,特意优容进士。其</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">按:指洪武十八年进士</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">诸进士不才者多,恩且不怀,独汪麟、王肃尤甚……怀私妄诞,惑乱朝政</span><span lang="EN-US">!</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">”朱元璋《御制大诰三编》在洪武时作为法制教材广为散发,令官民诵读,朝野皆知。故而明成祖独拿《洪武十八年榜进士题名碑》开刀,而不仆倒内有灭九族之齐泰、灭族之卓敬的《洪武二十一年榜进士题名碑》,原因正是在此。</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">    二、《索引》阙失之症结</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  朱保炯等编《明清进士题名碑录索引》是治文史者常用的工具书。该《索引》所录明洪武十八年榜进士分一甲</span><span lang="EN-US">3</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名、二甲</span><span lang="EN-US">107</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">实收</span><span lang="EN-US">102</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">人</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">、三甲</span><span lang="EN-US">362</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">实收</span><span lang="EN-US">188</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">人</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">,共计实收</span><span lang="EN-US">293</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名。《索引》据地方志补阙</span><span lang="EN-US">123</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,据《列卿年表》补</span><span lang="EN-US">4</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,据《闽省贤书》补</span><span lang="EN-US">2</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,共计补阙</span><span lang="EN-US">129</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,该榜进士为</span><span lang="EN-US">472</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,《索引》收录</span><span lang="EN-US">422</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,尚阙</span><span lang="EN-US">50</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名。</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  阙漏</span><span lang="EN-US">50</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名未补,是一大问题。但问题还在于:所收录的,有非洪武十八年榜进士,更有非进±而错录者,且据方志补阙的进士皆系孤证,未能利用明人各种相关科举著作及史籍,差错不少,有失古籍整理规范,直接影响其权威性、可靠性。</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  《索引》误收他榜进士者,计有夏铭</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">善</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">、朱懋、卓敬、齐泰、吴谦等洪武二十一年榜进士。此外,俞本为建文二年榜进士。</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  夏铭</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">善</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">,《索引》列为三甲</span><span lang="EN-US">132</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,而俞宪《皇明进士登科考》录入洪武二十一年三甲</span><span lang="EN-US">23</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,证以嘉庆《湖南通志》卷九一《选举·明》:“洪武二十一年戊辰任亨泰榜夏铭善,溆浦人,监察御史”。</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  朱懋,《索引》列为洪武十八年二甲</span><span lang="EN-US">60</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,而俞宪《皇明进士登科考》列为洪武二十一年三甲</span><span lang="EN-US">76</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名。明徐懋学《南垣论世考》卷四《国初礼科·给事中》载:“朱懋,河南安阳人,洪武二十一年进士。”嘉靖《彰德府志》卷七《大明·科》载:“洪武二十一年二人:朱懋,安阳,进士,礼科给事中。”</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  卓敬,《索引》列为洪武十八年进士三甲</span><span lang="EN-US">70</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,而俞宪《皇明进士登科考》卷二列为洪武二十一年二甲第</span><span lang="EN-US">1</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名。明焦兹《献征录》卷三○《户部右侍郎瑞安卓</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">公敬传》载:“卓敬,浙江瑞安人也……洪武戊辰中进士,科给事中……不屈死。”《明史》卷一四一《卓敬传》载:“卓敬字惟恭……瑞安人……举洪武二十一年进士,除户科给事中……乃斩之,诛其三族。”</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  齐泰,原名德。《索引》列为洪武十八年三甲</span><span lang="EN-US">90</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,系错榜,实为洪武二十一年二甲进士。明焦《献征录》卷三八《兵部尚书齐泰传》载:“齐泰,溧水人,初名德。洪武二十年乡贡,明年举进士,历礼部主事……赐名泰……不屈死之,籍九族。”。清盛子邺《类姓登科考》卷一《齐》载:“齐德,更名泰,直隶溧阳县人。二甲,兵部尚书,靖难。”乾隆《江南通志》卷一二一《选举志·进士》三《明》载:“</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">洪武</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">戊辰科任亨泰榜齐德,溧水人。”</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  吴谦,《索引》列为洪武十八年二甲</span><span lang="EN-US">24</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,系错榜,实为洪武二十一年进士。《皇明进士登科考》载:“洪武二十一年戊辰第二甲一十五名赐进士出身吴谦,河南许州人”嘉靖《许州志》卷五《官纪志》第五《选举·进士》载:“高皇帝洪武戊辰吴谦。”</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  俞本,《索引》列为洪武十八年三甲</span><span lang="EN-US">72</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,系错榜,实为建文二年三甲</span><span lang="EN-US">50</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名。《建文二年登科录》载:“第三甲七十名,赐同进士出身:第五十名俞本,贯直隶太平府芜湖县,民籍,县学生。”《皇明进士登科考》卷二载:“洪武三十三年庚辰</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">原按:实革除二年,即建文二年</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">第三甲七十名,赐同进士出身俞本,直隶芜湖县人。”</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  此外,《索引》误一人作二人收于同榜的如刘奉,一名刘麟,《索引》不辨,刘麟作洪武十八年三甲</span><span lang="EN-US">100</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名进士,刘奉作三甲</span><span lang="EN-US">155</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名进士。正德《饶州府志》卷二《学校·附科贡征辟.乐平兴学·进士》载:“刘麟,一名奉</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">凤</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">,字仲辉……中洪武乙丑,官贵县丞。”按:《江西通志》也是收刘麟,未收刘奉。《皇明进士登科考》卷二《洪武十八年乙丑》载:“赐同进士出身第三甲三百六十二名:刘凤奉,江西乐平县人。”按:刘凤奉,即刘凤,“奉”为阑入。明张朝瑞《皇明贡举考》卷二载:“</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">洪武十八年</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">第三甲三百六十二名,赐同进士出身……刘凤,江西乐平县。”</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  《索引》单据地方志补,缺乏旁证,至把非进士误作进士收入的如欧阳贞。《索引》所据四库本《江西通志》卷五二《选举志》四《明》:“洪武十八年乙丑丁显榜进士欧阳贞,分宜人。”然而,嘉靖本《江西通志》卷三三《袁州府·科目》却载:“欧阳四年辛亥吴伯宗榜欧阳贞,分宜人。”而今存《洪武四年登科录》并无欧阳贞其人,可以断定欧阳贞非进士。嘉靖《江西通志》卷三三《袁州府·人物·国朝》又载:“欧阳贞,胜古迹字元春,分宜人……乡进士,性冲淡,不乐仕宦。”乡进士”即举人。此条所载是正确的,可从光绪《江西通志》得到印证。光绪《江西通志》卷二七《明举人》载:“洪武四年辛亥乡试欧阳贞,分宜人。”《皇明进士登科考》、《皇明贡举考》、《类姓登科考》等有关明代登科录著作于洪武十八年榜皆无欧阳贞之名。显然,《索引》仅据四库本《江西通志》而不查《江西通志》几个版本记载之不一致,也未查明代登科录,就贸然据四库本《江西通志》将欧阳贞录入洪武十八年榜进士,有失学术规范,缺乏严肃性。所以,凡《索引》据方志补阙之</span><span lang="EN-US">129</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名必须重新一一考证,予以确认或订正。至于《索引》所阙</span><span lang="EN-US">50</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名失补,即属于编者未尽其责的另一个问题了。</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  那么,《索引》中洪武十八年乙丑榜存在以上种种问题,原因何在</span><span lang="EN-US">?</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">该书编者在《索引·前言》中称:“</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">我们</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">把清乾隆十一年</span><span lang="EN-US">(1746)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">所刊行的《国朝历科题名碑录初集》及其所附刊明代诸科,以《进士题名碑》的拓片、《登科录》、名省方志等校订增补,重行汇辑,并加以索引化,供读者检索利用。</span>
<span style="font-family: 宋体;">”据此,笔者对照了《索引》与李周望等编《碑录初集》,事实确是如此,《索引》是照搬了《碑录初集》,凡是《碑录初集》的错误,也是《索引》的错误。洪武十八年榜之三甲名次、所收进士名录,两者完全吻合。即如《碑录初集》“补阙”载:“曹铭、陈思道、张忠、邵永善四人俱见《列卿年表》”,《索引》也是照抄,如“据《列卿年表》补阙四名:张忠、曹铭、邵永善、陈思道”。</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  显然,《索引》差错的症结,是依据《碑录初集》。为此,有必要对李周望所编的《碑录初集》予以讨论。</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">    三、《索引》所据《碑录初集》源于《皇明贡举考》</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  《碑录初集》是专门刊载明清两朝历科进士的题名总录,其体例为:按榜次、甲次列进士姓名、籍贯,是一部简明的明清登科录著作。其创编人为国子监祭酒李周望,于清康熙五十九年</span><span lang="EN-US">(1720)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">初编成。李周望在《太学进士题名序》中说:“谨录国朝历科题名碑姓氏为初集,俟第增益,使多士观感踊跃,咸知皇教泽深厚,文治郅隆……而元明旧碑之在辟雍</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">国子监</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">者,并附录之,备考镜焉。”从李氏所述于康熙五十九年初编《进士题名碑录》时,已收元、明两代进士题名碑“之在辟雍者”之记述可推,《洪武十八年榜进士题名碑》已不可能保存在当时北京国子监中,自然,《碑录初集》中也不可能出现洪武十八年榜进士题名录。那么,什么时候在《碑录初集》中出现了洪武十八年榜进士名录呢</span><span lang="EN-US">?</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">从乾隆十年</span><span lang="EN-US">(1745)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">续刻《碑录初集》的主持人钱维城所作《题识》中可以找到答案:“乾隆十年乙丑,例应续刻本科进士姓名、籍贯……其康熙己未、乾隆丙辰两科鸿博姓氏,也依次补刊。又得《明贡举考》于钱唐王君孙芸,自洪武乙丑、戊辰、辛未、甲戌、丁丑,建文庚辰,永乐甲申、丙戌、甲辰凡九科,皆旧《录》所无也,悉为编入,而有明之甲榜始合。”即是说,由李周望创编的《碑录初集》收入洪武十八年榜进士时间为乾隆十一年</span><span lang="EN-US">(1746)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">,其所本为万历初张朝瑞所编《皇明贡举考》。</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  《皇明贡举考》共九卷,收录了自明洪武四年至万历十一年历榜进士名录,包括洪武十八年乙丑榜。经过比照,与《碑录初集》所载洪武十八年榜进士甲次、姓名、籍贯除个别字有更改外,没有什么不同,甚至所阙空格排列也相同。《皇明贡举考》据《列卿年表》补阙四名进士“曹铭、陈思道、张忠、邵永善”,《碑录初集》也照搬。唯一不同的是,《碑录初集》补阙增加了</span><span lang="EN-US">17</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">人,置于“曹铭”等四进士名下,并注明此</span><span lang="EN-US">17 </span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">人据《台州志》、《温州志》、《金华志》补。由此可以断定,《碑录初集》中洪武十八年榜进士名录抄自张朝瑞《皇明贡举考》。</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  可见乾隆十一年钱维城续刻本《碑录初集》所载洪武十八年榜进士题名录源出万历问张朝瑞编纂的《皇明贡举考》。那么,《皇明贡举考》是不是唯一的、最早的明登科录呢</span><span lang="EN-US">?</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">不是,因为《皇明贡举考》编纂时,参考了俞宪《皇明进士登科考》。《皇明贡举考》卷一《取士之制》言:“俞宪《登科考》载本诏云:‘策第三场毕后十日面试’。”该书卷一《文体》云:“‘俞氏宪曰:国初以文取士,大概辞达为本。三试文式,至今以为定制。’”可见,俞宪所纂《皇明进士登科考》早于张朝瑞《皇明贡举考》,这就有可能参考了洪武十八年残阙部本《登科录》或它藏之《会试录》。事实正是如此。俞宪《重刻皇明进士登科考叙》云:“是录参考湖、闽诸本而成,至是三梓矣……己酉</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">按:嘉靖二十八年,</span><span lang="EN-US">1549)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">移越,梓于越,顾洪武所亡三种,犹为阙典,览者有余憾焉。今年秋,明人</span><span lang="EN-US"> (</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">按:指宁波人</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">章贞叔过予,曰:‘予有是本,而今逸矣,当为君移札范尧卿</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">按:指宁波天一阁藏书楼楼主范钦</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">氏可得也。’已而果如约,予乃取校人梓,悉备厥亡,并续庚戌榜三百二十人,另起为卷。于是《录》始大备。”</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">    四、《皇明进士登科考》完整地保存了洪武十八年榜进士</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  从俞宪“叙”中可以了解到,俞氏初编《皇明进士登科考》时缺洪武三榜,包括洪武十八年乙丑榜,虽经三次重印,皆未能补齐。嘉靖庚戌二十九年,俞氏仕于绍兴,准备重刻,“犹为阙典”。幸而遇到宁波友人章贞叔,经过他的努力,借到宁波天一阁藏书楼楼主范钦所藏明登科录,补上所缺洪武三榜登科录,再增入嘉靖二十九年唐汝楫榜</span><span lang="EN-US">320</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">人,至此,俞宪于嘉靖间所编《皇明进士登科考》自洪武四年榜至嘉靖二十九年榜,共</span><span lang="EN-US">58</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">榜登科录“始大备”。俞宪实际所收洪武十八年榜进士名录并非殿试《洪武十八年登科录》,而是《洪武十八年会试录》。这也说明天一阁藏书中也无礼部本《洪武十八年登科录》,只存是年《洪武十八年会试录》。从而更清楚地说明,由于永乐初仆倒《洪武十八年榜进士题名碑》、禁传部本《洪武十八年登科录》,嘉靖时已看不到一部完整的《洪武十八年登科录》,唯一完整保存的是天一阁藏洪武十八年会试录,此录因俞宪编纂《皇明进士登科考》而得以保存下来。可以说,就被毁的洪武十八年进士榜来说,《皇明进士登科考》是迄今为止最完整、最可靠的登科名录,弥足珍贵。</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  今存俞氏《皇明进士登科考》收录洪武十八年榜进士</span><span lang="EN-US">472</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名。明制,会试中式人赴殿试不黜落。除了会试中式后因病等突发原因“殿举”外,一般皆成进士。实际上,洪武十八年赴殿试</span><span lang="EN-US">472</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">人,即“廷对者四百七十二人,擢丁显为第一人”。此</span><span lang="EN-US">472</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名廷对进士经殿试全部录取。可以说,会试进士数与该榜殿试录取数</span><span lang="EN-US">472</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名完全吻合。但《皇明进士登科考》卷二所载洪武十八年进士榜有一缺憾,即“廷试名第漫不可分,姑以会试为准”,只有一甲三名丁显、练子宁、黄子澄与二甲第一、第二名马京、齐麟名次可靠。据此可以断定,张朝瑞《皇明贡举考》与李周望初编、钱维城续刻《碑录初集》之三甲名次不可全信。张朝瑞称其编《皇明贡举考》时,参考了俞振才所录残阙部本《洪武十八年登科录》,但该本二甲缺</span><span lang="EN-US">5</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,三甲缺</span><span lang="EN-US">182</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,即该榜已阙</span><span lang="EN-US">187</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,实际收录为</span><span lang="EN-US">285</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名。今传《皇明贡举考》所载洪武十八年榜进士为</span><span lang="EN-US">293</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,比俞振才残阙本多</span><span lang="EN-US">8</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,此</span><span lang="EN-US">8</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名吴谦、戴安、朱懋、卓敬、俞本、齐德</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">泰</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">、刘麟、夏铭</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">善</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">全部是错榜误收,并为今存李周望等编《碑录初集》照抄,致使一误再误。</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><span style="">&nbsp;</span></span><span style="font-family: 宋体;"> 这里产生了一个问题:张朝瑞编纂《皇明贡举考》既然参考了完整记载洪武十八年榜进士的《皇明进士登科考》,为什么不依该书补阙呢</span><span lang="EN-US">?</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">原因有二,一是明著名史家王世贞认为《皇明进士登科考》“有脱略”:“</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">洪武乙丑科进士</span><span lang="EN-US">)</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">俞宪《登科考》名姓次序俱以《会试录》为准,然不载杨靖、蹇珞,其脱略可知矣。”王世贞在万历间看到的《皇明进士登科考》可能是一个不完整的版本,因为今存完整的《皇明进士登科考》皆载有杨靖、蹇二进士,不存在“脱略”的问题。也许张朝瑞和王世贞一样,看到的也是不完整的版本,或者受王世贞影响,对俞宪《皇明进士登科考》缺乏信任。还有一个原因,《皇明进士登科考》是据天一阁藏《洪武十八年会试录》名次排列,而张朝瑞《皇明贡举考》依俞振才所录残阙部本《洪武十八年登科录》,尽管缺</span><span lang="EN-US">187</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名,但所存</span><span lang="EN-US">285</span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名系依殿试登科录名次排列,张氏可能抱着宁用残阙殿试录勿用会试录的观念,未采用俞宪《皇明进士登科考》。从而失去了保存一份完整的洪武十八年榜进士名录的机会。</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 宋体;">  总之,相比之下,朱保炯等编《索引》、李周望等编《碑录初集》、张朝瑞编《皇明贡举考》所载洪武十八年榜进士既有残阙,又有误收,亟须补正。而俞宪编《皇明进士登科考》是唯一保存了明洪武十八年榜进入名录的登科录,唯一的缺憾是,其名次按该榜会试录排列。笔者因做《明代登科录》之需,即以《皇明进士登科考》为本,参稽《皇明贡举考》、《明实录》、“御制三诰”、《明史》等多种史籍、方志,予以发覆,为读者提供了一份可信的洪武十八年</span><span lang="EN-US">472 </span><span style="font-family: 宋体;">名进士名录。</span></p>

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作者: 林忠辉    时间: 2009-3-23 09:34
标题: 名录
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[ 本帖最后由 林忠辉 于 2009-3-23 09:37 编辑 ]
作者: 3116631    时间: 2009-3-23 18:20
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">忠輝先生,我</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">19#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖说朱棣将洪武十八年塝“进士题名碑毀坏,我原理解是把明的进士资料毀了,(理解错了)所以说可能査不到,今看先生帖,才知道只是毀了洪武十八年榜的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">472</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">名进士资料,先生帖中的“皇明进士登科考“提供的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">472</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">名进士名单是洪武十八年榜的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">472</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">名进士,已毀坏又能考証出,我只能说夠夲亊,可是我说的林濂是洪武戊辰笫一甲笫三名进士,比洪武十八年进士要迟三年,是另一榜了,这就不相关了,迟三年就是“靖难之役“己经平定,朱棣当了皇帝,是论功行赏了,那林濂的进士更可能是真的了,因为林濂是朱棣的“红人”,“永皇赴北隨驾而之”,“永皇詔勅吾祖靖寇”。朱棣坐上皇帝位,林濂是有功劳的,所以“永皇。。。。。。钦加统镇銜,赐溢十老”,进士还有个“赐”字,它的可信度还不高么?另外,人有"名"。"字"。"号"。求学,出仕多用“名”。詞堂,族谱多用“字”,“字”俗称“大名”,“名”俗称“小名”,有不用“大名”不入詞堂族谱之说,林濂是“名”是“字”不清楚,按詞堂族譜多用“字”求学出仕多用“名”,<FONT face="Times New Roman">林溓又是这种情况,</FONT></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">就算有全部明进士名录出示,查也会对不上。再有,族譜在記载族譜中人的资料時,如果当時正修譜,一般不会错,如果后人俢谱追記,确实有错誤。增漏现象,所以“求证”尽可能避免孤証。</SPAN></FONT></P>
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-23 21:46
看到这么多的族人争鸣,心里很高兴。欢迎来这个话题讨论的每一位宗亲。 我要做的就是再收集一些佐证,供族人研究和讨论。我准备近期抽时间去新泰放城采风,另外让老家的族人也注意搜集一些资料,看看能不能有些新发现。不过,得需要时间,请宗亲耐心等待,欢迎来这里讨论和争鸣~
作者: 3116631    时间: 2009-3-24 14:20
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">23#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖说林濂的进士,还有个“赐”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">字,明进士是会試经廷对后录取,林濂如果参加了会試和廷对全过程,自然会录取,用得着赐么?这“赐”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">字有文章,有可能是表示恩宠,会試廷对合格录取我也要加个“赐”</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">字。也有可能并沒参加会试廷对,见你是个读书人,又有功于己,就赐个进士给你。皇帝有至高权力,可以以权代法,也可以不要法,朱棣夺了迠文帝的权后,不是把迠文帝当政時的进士练子宁。黃子澄,就是洪武十八年榜的进士削籍了么?你还有进士名在碑上么?我把碑也毀了,先朝皇帝可以推翻,先朝典章可以不要,这就是皇帝。林濂,用今天的话涚,他是站对队了,他要是跟了迠文帝,洪武十八年(公元</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">1385</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年)榜就有他的名,他也什么都完了,可他跟了朱棣,还立了功,受到恩宠,他的进士就是洪武十八年后三年戊辰年(公元</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">1388</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年)得的,那已是朱棣皇朝了,说他是幸运也可,说他有福也成。</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">通过对林濂的考让,我看到了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">54</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代林濂的身影,如果继续下去,还会看到林濂胞弟,因軍功赐霨的林节,</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">53</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代诰封昭豰将軍的林仲春,</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">36</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代奉祀生员林春,</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">70</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代奉祀生员林兴岱,恩准社田诸款免的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">56</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代林汝贤,奉旨依议奉祀生员和衍聖公的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">68</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代林养道。。。。。。他们活跃在历史午台中,扮演着种种角色,他们代表着一族人,代表着一个世系,是实实在在存在的一支人,不是虛构。</SPAN></FONT></P>
作者: 林忠辉    时间: 2009-3-25 12:08
标题: 洪武戊辰科进士一甲三名真的没有!
查手头的《明清进士题名碑录》索引,洪武二十一年戊辰科一甲三名:任亨泰、唐震、盧原质
三甲里有一个:林京,三甲27名,福建福清人;林珽,3甲42名,浙江瑞安人
作者: 林忠辉    时间: 2009-3-25 12:12
我所了解的,既然号称登了甲,那么应该是头甲三人,即状元、榜眼和探花,赐进士及第;二甲诸人赐进士出身;三甲人数最多,赐同进士出身。
作者: 林忠辉    时间: 2009-3-25 13:12
标题: 回复 23# 3116631 的帖子
洪武21年(1388)离朱棣登基还早呢,明太祖朱元璋(1328~1398),字国瑞,1398年5月,明太祖朱元璋病死于南京,在位31年,终年71岁。1368年,洪武元年,洪武年号使用了31年。<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 靖难之役,是明朝开国皇帝朱元璋死后不久爆发的夺皇位的战争。起于建文元年(1399年)因建文帝因削藩引起燕王朱棣的不满,以“清君侧之恶”的名义联合各个藩王举兵反抗朝廷,至建文四年朱棣由燕王荣登皇位而结束,历时4年。<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 因此,林濂的进士只能是洪武朝中,等到朱棣上台,他也不用考了。查洪武朝,洪武四年首开科考,洪武5年,朱元璋下旨停止科考,12年后才恢复,也就是1385年的乙丑科进士(朱棣毁坏本榜进士名碑录)。
洪武21年,24年,27年,30年的进士榜,都没有林姓登入一甲的。<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 倒是永乐四年林环状元姓林。所以林濂的进士还是需要考证
作者: linkuen    时间: 2009-3-25 13:41
孔繁灏写的《先贤林氏宗谱序》应该是有的,我0二年在福州,在福建省林氏研究会那里列看了一下,只是当年没有复印下来。当年林伟功,林立柽诸会长能将该文收集在书料室里,我想是有一定价值的。只是linfenq先生传来的谱系令人费解而已,忠辉兄近京都,该地孔庙国子监的进士题名碑有明清二代,可以替linfenq先生所传的功名录中一查,如何便知了。
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-25 14:18
标题: 回复 28# 林忠辉 的帖子
看到宗亲的讨论和研究越来越热闹,很欣慰,感到不要很久,就会把一些事情搞得更清楚的。另外,学习了忠辉先生的帖子,有个事情想说明一下:先祖濂是从南方随驾而来,其原先居住地不是山东,请考证!如果从进士的居住地考证的话,我觉得不应从山东入手。供参考
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-25 14:19
标题: 回复 28# 林忠辉 的帖子
这一点,《先祖迁南复北记》中已记载很清楚了~~
作者: 林忠辉    时间: 2009-3-25 14:35
请问林濂先人是福建莆田而归的吧,那是,籍贯应当以祖籍地而定。我也不是从居住地而论的,就是把林姓洪武年间进士名录全部整理了一下,没有发现
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-25 22:57
在网上发现一篇文章,供族人研讨《泉州方言形成于晋唐之前》:

过去有人认为:“中原汉人第一次大规模入闽当推东晋”。唐林蕴在《林氏两湘支谱·闽序》卷一中说:“汉武帝以闽数反,命迁其民于江淮,久空其地。今诸姓入闽,自永嘉始也。”乾隆《福州府志》卷七五《外纪》引路振《九国志》说:“永嘉二年,中州板荡,衣冠始入闽者八族,林、黄、陈、郑、詹、邱、何、胡是也。”这种说法无论从史实看,还是从语言自身发展看都是*格不入的。
  《莆田九牧林氏族谱》说:“入闽始祖禄,永嘉时为晋安太守。”而《九国志》说,陈林诸姓,均以永嘉二年避乱入闽。永嘉二年的晋安,怎么会同时有两个太守?《莆田南胡郑氏谱牒》则说:“永嘉时,其始祖入闽,任福、泉刺史。”当时福建尚无福泉建置,何来福、泉剌史?又如民国《建瓯县志》卷十九《礼俗志》云:“晋永嘉末,中原丧乱。士大夫多携家辟乱入闽,建为闽上游,大率流寓者居多。时危京剌建州,亦率其乡族来避兵,遂以占籍。”此说如果可信,永嘉入闽不只八姓,当还有危京和他的乡民们。又唐代林*《闽中记》说:“永嘉之乱,中原士族,林、黄、陈、郑四姓先入闽。”比较八姓入闽,岂不少了四姓?可见八姓入闽与其他记载多有抵触。所以唐代颜师古在注《注书》卷七五《睦弘传》时说:“私谱之文,出于闾巷,家自为说,事非经典。”
  历来族谱记载往往虚构事实以光宗显祖,夸耀门楣。如唐末王潮兄弟入闽,此后福建出现数不尽固始同乡。后人都以为闽人祖先皆来自固始。方大琮在《跋方诗境叙长官迁莆事始》中曾对此提出质疑,认为王审知初建国,武夫悍卒,气焰带人。闽人战栗自危,谩称乡人,冀其怜悯,或犹冀其拔用。后世承袭其说,世(祀)邈绵,遂与其初而忘之尔,此闽人谱牒,所以多称固始也。泉州惠安的东下坑李姓,本是*民,为什么却自称是陇西李姓呢?这是因为唐时李世民乃陇西李,李是大姓,少数土著民族为避免汉人的歧视,就伪称自己是某一大姓的后裔,借以提高族群地位。因此我们认为,对于族谱之类的记载,不可不信,也不可全信,应作多方面的比较分析,才不至于被引入歧途。
  其实,早在西晋之前,汉人就已到达福建。《莆田县志》记载,莆田城郊就发现过西晋初墓葬,墓中砖土花三面凸起。旁篆“太康八年八月 日作”。太康为晋武帝年号,其八年为公元287年,比永嘉之乱早21年。林宗鸿等《南安丰州西晋太康五年墓》详细记载了1984年元月3日南安丰州旭日乡庙下村发现的一座西晋初冢墓。其墓砖均有模印“大康五年立”字祥,大康即太康。西晋初太康五年(284年)比永嘉之乱早24年。另一个有力的证据是,福建寺庙的兴建也是在永嘉之前。《八闽通志》记载:侯官县十一都灵塔寺建于晋太康三年,今废;晋江县玄妙观,晋太康中为白云庙,唐改名老君祠,宋大中祥符中改名天庆,元元贞元年改今名。《南安县志》记载,延福寺,在南安县九日山下,晋太康时建,去山二里许;唐大历三年,移建今所;宋乾德中,改名延福。可见,永嘉之前早有中州人民入闽,他们带来了所信仰的道教和佛教。
  总之,诸姓入闽并非始于永嘉之乱,而是在此之前。王充《论衡》云:“越在九夷,*衣关头。今皆夏服,褒衣履舄。”这就是说,在东汉时期,闽越人已经开始汉化。《三国志·吴书·贺齐传》记载,东吴第一次出兵闽中之时,福建豪强詹强、何雄的武装力量大到足以抵抗孙家军。其时福建居民结构已是汉越交融,以汉为主。地方志书也对永嘉之乱以前汉人入闽有详细记载。例如,《惠安县志》:“锦田黄氏,泉之世家著姓。始祖隆公,为东汉公稽令。东汉末乱甚,于建安,弃职避世入闽。”又云:“黄兴,吴孙权将也,与妻曹氏入闽,居邑之凤山。”
  倒是有人认为,永嘉丧乱之时,中州人民没有入闽。王仲荦在《魏晋南北朝史》中认为,永嘉丧乱之时,北方流民南下大抵集中在荆州、扬州、梁州和益州等地,并引谭其骧在《晋永嘉丧乱后之民族迁徙》的统计说,山东河北人迁江苏;河南人徙安徽、湖北、陕西、甘肃人移汉中、川西。迁徙苏、皖、鄂、川各几十万,而到较远地方的湖南、江西才各有万人左右。据谭氏统计,从永嘉(307年)至太清(547年)二百四十年中,都没有避乱入闽的记载。况且永嘉丧乱之前的西晋太康三年,福建已有两郡十六县。即闽北的建安郡所辖建安、吴兴、东平、建阳、邵武、将乐、延平和绥城;沿海和闽西的晋安郡所辖侯官、原丰、温麻、晋安、同安、新罗、宛平和罗江。因此可以断定永嘉之乱北方流民对福建居民社会结构影响不大。
  值得一提的还有,魏晋时期中原早已方言更迭,与泉州方言所代表的上古汉语有许多不同。其原因之一是人口的流动。
  汉末三国,中原战事迭起,人口骤减。据《晋书·地理志(上)》记载,汉永寿三年(157年)全国人口有5648万人,西晋太康元年(280年)下降为1616万人。一百多年来人口少了近四分之三。《魏志·陈群传》云:“况今丧乱之后,人民至少,比及汉文帝时,不过一大郡。”由于中原地广人稀,西晋实行重赏招募投边地的士民回旭,从而引起西北郡县居民东迁南渐,导致潼关东西,黄河南北华胡杂处、戎狄各半。所以朱芳圃在《晋代方言考》中说:“即汉时一方之言,至晋时或变为通语……中原方言,几无一焉。此何故乎?盖中经大乱,人民迁徙,互相融化之结果也。故方言之剧变,当在汉末丧乱、三国纷争时代。”中原方言经历这场大调整,面貌已是全新。唐初刘知几在《史通·言语》中指出:“魏晋年近,言犹类今。”进一步说明了魏晋时期中原通语与唐朝的通用语是比较接近的。周振鹤、游汝杰和卢海鸣也分别撰文分析说,西晋永嘉丧乱之后,北方移民南渡进入建康地区,由于北来移民在人口、政治、经济等方面的优势,北方官话就逐渐取代了吴语。美国汉学家罗杰瑞(Jerry Norman)在《闽语里的一些古方言词》中也说,晋朝郭璞时代9276-324年),中国主要方言的分岐是在北方和跨越长江叫做江东(长江以东)或吴的各地区之间。通过上述分析,可以确认永嘉时期北来移民的语言已不再是原来的周秦雅言了。魏晋之际中原一带正是北方话口语和周秦雅言交杂使用时期,《切韵》正好反映了这个时期的复杂的语音现象。成书于南朝的《世说新语》就再现出北方话的特片,如出现了疑问代词“那”,连词“但”,系词“是”,副词“都”,句法上出现“被”字句。董达武在《周秦两汉魏晋南北朝方言共同语初探》中也谈到魏晋南北方话的变化,如以“太阳”代“日”,词尾“子”、“儿”的出现,“其”字用作主语宾词,“被”字句的出现等。泉州方言从形成开始直到今天,始终没有北方话这些封闭性词语和句法特征。由此可以推论,泉州方言的形成必定早于魏晋。说泉州方言形成于西晋永嘉丧乱之后值得商榷。
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-25 23:17
《百家姓》出《兔园集》。〔林〕宫音。西河郡。系出子姓。王子比干子坚,避乱居长林山,因姓林氏。
鲁有林放,孔子弟子。
作者: 3116631    时间: 2009-3-26 00:18
< class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">回<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1ersonName w:st="on" ProductID="宗輝">宗輝</st1ersonName>先生</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">26#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖</SPAN></FONT></P>
< class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生查了没有,我也查了一下,都是零散资料,没见到戊辰年全部进士名录,更没见到明全部进士名录,零散资料也没耐心老査。一甲笫一名查到二人,一人<st1ersonName w:st="on" ProductID="和">和</st1:PersonName>先生查的相同,呌任享泰,另一人叫曾与贤,江西泰和人,一甲笫二名查到一人,呌卓敬,<st1:PersonName w:st="on" ProductID="和">和</st1:PersonName>先生查的不同。一甲第三名查到二人,一人叫声原质,<st1:PersonName w:st="on" ProductID="和">和</st1:PersonName>先生査的相同,另一人叫陈友。为什么能査到多人,不清楚。没见有姓林的就不是“名“和“字“对不上的问题,“赐“的谦疑很大,因为正常途径考取,无虽“赐“,是“赐“榜上就不会有名,榜上有名就不叫“赐“,疑惑的是族谱为什么明确一甲第三名,“赐“按理是不会明确笫幾名的。会不会搞錹呢?明洪武戊辰年这段時间没见有修谱记载,只见林道养于道光</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">29</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年(公元</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">1849</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年)俢谱的记载,林道养修谱時距离明初的林濂已经</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">461</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年了,林濂的亊就是后人俢谱追記,錯誤增漏是有可能的。</SPAN></FONT></P>
作者: 3116631    时间: 2009-3-26 01:34
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< class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我忽略了迠文帝登基。“靖难之役“。未棣登基的具体時间,光生提到的時间是对的,林濂戊辰年(公元</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">1388</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年)的一甲笫三名进士,是发生在朱元漳做皇帝時的亊,迠文帝还未登基,“靖难之役“也未发生,朱棣还是燕王,何能赐林濂进士,林廉只能是考取,朱棣上台,林濂是不用考了,可他是未棣末上台就得的进士,査不出就是族谱錯或戊辰年进士资料錯或资料不全,族谱说“永皇赴北隨驾而之“,”永皇詔勑吾袓靖寇“确实是“靖难之役“的亊,论功行赏也一定是朱棣登基后的亊,后亊能做前亊(赐进士)怎么可能,。</SPAN></FONT></P>
作者: 林忠辉    时间: 2009-3-26 08:38
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回宗輝先生26#帖
先生查了没有,我也查了一下,都是零散资料,没见到戊辰年全部进士名录,更没见到明全部进士名录,零散资料也没耐心老査。一甲笫一名查到二人,一人和先生查的相同,呌任享泰,另一人叫曾与贤,江西 ...
<br><br>我所提供的是国子监进士碑录记载的名字,是当时就刻上的,应当比较准确了,洪武戊辰全部林姓进士名录你可以在我发的林氏洪武进士名录上看。<br><br>另外,凡是经过庭试后,皇帝三甲录取的进士,都有赐,这个赐应当表示的皇帝认可,一甲三名叫赐进士及第,二甲叫赐进士出身,三甲就叫赐同进士出身了。<br>统称进士。<br><br>
作者: 3116631    时间: 2009-3-26 10:38
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">如果皇帝三甲录取的进士都有賜,那林濂的赐进士就可理解了,只是赐进士的時间对不上得进士的時间,得在前(公元</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">1388</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年),赐在后(公元</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">1403</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年),相距</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">15</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年,这就有问题,但族谱对这亊言之确确,又好象不是假,我还是这样看,不是族谱错,就是洪武戊辰年进士资料错。</SPAN></FONT></P>
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-26 12:23
标题: 回复 38# 3116631 的帖子
把世系中五十四代祖濂旁边的一行小字(在五十四代祖濂的左边,有宗亲说看不清的就是)发上,供研讨:字會海,配韩氏(字迹不很清楚),洪武戊辰科探花,任陕西上安府协镇()()镇衔,谥十老,子三,士元、士敬、士诚。
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-26 12:25
壬申钦授陕西上安府协镇之职。请宗亲考证~~
作者: 林忠辉    时间: 2009-3-26 14:51
标题: 回复 38# 3116631 的帖子
你还是没有搞明白,皇帝开科取士,对于在三甲之内的名单,都有赐什么什么,表示的是皇帝已经亲自认可了,赐嘛,很光荣的<br>列入三甲,就是赐,不过赐的名称不一样,没有听说,得了三甲好多年,再赐的。<br>至于特奏,我以后再说<br>

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作者: 林忠辉    时间: 2009-3-26 14:53
标题: 回复 40# linfeng1026 的帖子
印象中只有西安府,汉中府、延安府,在明史地理志中没有,不知是‘延安府还是西安府呢, 还得找找看<br><br><h1 style="background: rgb(255, 255, 204) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;" align="center">明史&nbsp; 卷四十二&nbsp;  志第十八&nbsp; 地理三 &nbsp;&nbsp; 河南陕西</h1><br>陕西《禹贡》雍、梁二州之域。元置陕西等处行中书省,(治奉元路。)又置甘肃等处行中书省。(治甘州路。)洪武二年四月置陕西等处行中书省。(治<br>西安府。)三年十二月置西安都卫。(与行中书省同治。)八年十月改都卫为陕西都指挥使司。九年六月改行中书省为承宣布政使司。领府八,属州二十一,县<br>九十有五。(为里三千五百九十七。)东至华阴,(与河南、山西界。)南至紫阳,(与湖广、四川界。)北至河套,西至肃州。(外为边地。)距南京二千四<br>百三十里,京师二千六百五十里。洪武二十六年编户二十九万四千五百二十六,口二百三十一万六千五百六十九。弘治四年,户三十万六千六百四十四,口三百<br>九十一万二千三百七十。万历六年,户三十九万四千四百二十三,口四百五十万二千六十七。<br><br>西安府(元奉元路,属陕西行省。)洪武二年三月改为西安府。领州六,县三十一:<br>    长安(倚。治西偏。洪武三年四月建秦王府。北有龙首山。南有终南山。西南有太一山,又有子午谷,谷中有关。北有渭水,源出鸟鼠山,流经县界,至华<br>阴入黄河。又西有沣水。又西北有镐水,合滮水,又南有潏水,亦曰氵穴水合涝水,俱北流入渭。)<br>    咸宁(倚。治东偏。渭水在南。东有浐水,合霸水流入渭。)<br>    咸阳(府西北。旧治在渭河北,洪武二年徙於渭南。东北有泾水,东入渭。东南有沣水,北入渭。)<br>    泾阳(府北。西北有甘泉山。南有泾水,源自头山,流经县界,至高陵县入谓。又北有冶谷水,合清谷水,下流入谓。)<br>    兴平(府西少北。南有渭水。)<br>    临潼(府东少北。东南有骊山,有温泉。北有渭水。西有潼水,又东有戏水,俱北入渭。又东有泠水,一曰零水,至零口镇亦入渭。又南有煮盐驿,旧产盐。)<br>    渭南(府东。元属华州。嘉靖三十八年十一月改属府。北有渭水。)<br>    蓝田(府东南。南有七盘山,旁有纟争坡,谓之七盘十二纟争,蓝关之险道。又有峣山。东南有蓝田山,有关。西有霸水,西北有长水,亦曰荆溪,又南有辋<br>谷水,亦曰辋川,俱注於霸水。)<br>    鄠(府西南。南有牛首山,涝水出焉。北有渭水。西南有甘泉,西有氵美陂,俱流合涝水,注於渭。又沣水在南,合高观谷、太平谷诸水,入长安县界。)<br>    盩厔(府西南。西南有骆谷,谷长四百二十里,谷口有关。谷中有十八盘、又有柴家关二巡检司。北有渭水。南有龙水,西南有黑水流入焉。又东有骆谷水,<br>东南有芒水,并北入谓。)<br>    高陵(府东北。西南有渭水,泾水自西北流合焉。)<br>    富平(府东北。元属耀州。万历三十六年改属府。西南有荆山。西北有漆沮水,旧经白水县南入洛,自郑渠堙废,不复东入洛矣。东北有美原巡检司,寻废。)<br>    三原(府北少东。元属耀州。弘治三年十一月改属府。西北有尧门山。东北有漆沮水。西有清水,下流注於渭。)<br>    醴泉(府西北。元属乾州。嘉靖三十八年十一月改属府。西北有九峻山,又有武将山。东有泾水,又有甘谷水,流合焉。)<br><br>    华州(南有少华山。北有渭水,与同州界。西有赤水,分大小二流,又有石桥水,俱北注渭。)西距府二百里。领县二:<br>    华阴(州东。南有华山,亦曰太华,即西岳也。东有牛心谷。西南有车箱谷。东北有大河,自朝邑县流入,至渭口,与渭水合,所谓渭汭也。南有敷水,北入<br>渭。东北有潼水,入於大河。东有潼关。洪武七年置潼关守御千户所。九年十一月升为卫,属河南都司。永乐六年直隶中军都督府。)<br>    蒲城(州西北。东有洛水。又西有西卤池,南有东卤池,旧产盐。)<br><br>    商州洪武七年五月降为县。成化十三年三月仍为州。(东南有商洛山。西有熊耳山,伊水所出。南有丹崖山,旧产铜。又有冢岭山,洛水所出,下流至河南<br>汜水县入大河。又南有丹水,流入河南内乡县界。东有武关、西有秦岭二巡检司。又东有龙驹寨。)西北距府二百二十里。领县四:<br>    商南(州东少南。成化十三年三月以商县之层峰驿置,寻徙治於沭河西。西南有两河,即丹水也,东有沭河,南有挟川,俱入焉。东有富水堡巡检司。)<br>    雒南(州北少东。元曰洛南,属商州。洪武七年五月改属华州。成化十三年三月复来属。天启初,改洛为雒。东北有鱼难山,鱼难水出焉,西北有玄扈山,<br>玄扈水出焉,俱北入於洛。东南有三要、东北有石家坡二巡检司。)<br>    山阳(州南少东。本商县之丰阳巡检司,成化十二年十二月改为县,而移巡检司於县东南之漫川里,仍故名。东南有天柱山。西南有甲河,流入湖广上津县<br>界,注於汉水。又东有竹林关巡检司。)<br>    镇安(州西南。景泰三年以咸宁县野猪坪置,属府。天顺七年二月迁治谢家湾。成化十三年三月改属州。西有泎水,合县南洵水入洵阳县界,注於汉江。<br>北有旧县、西有五郎坝二巡检司。)<br><br>    同州(北有商原。南有渭水。西南有沮水,一名洛水。)西南距府二百六十里。领县五:<br>    朝邑(州东。东有大河。南有渭水。又有洛水,旧自县南经华阴县西北葫芦滩入谓;成化中,自县南赵渡镇径入於河,不复入渭。东北有临晋关,一名大庆<br>关,即浦津关也,旧属浦州,洪武九年八月来属。有浦津关巡检司。)<br>    郃阳(州东北。东有黄河。)<br>    韩城(州东北。西有梁山,一名吕梁山,滨大河。东北有龙门山,夹河对峙。)<br>    澄城(州北,西有洛水。)<br>    白水(州西北。南有故城。洪武初,徙於今治。西有洛水,白水流入焉。西北有马莲滩巡检司。)<br><br>    耀州(东有沮水,西有漆水流入焉。又有清水,流入三原县界。)南距府百八十里。领县一:<br>    同官(州东北。北有神水峡,峡内有金锁关巡检司。又西北有北高山,漆水出焉,东南流与同官川水合。又东有沮水,南有安公谷水,其下流合於沮水。)<br><br>    乾州(西北有梁山,接岐山县界。其南有漠谷,漠谷水经其下,流为武水。又东北有甘谷水。又西有武亭水。)东南距府百六十里。领县二:<br>    武功(州西南。西南有太白山,又有武功山。东南有忄享物山。南有渭水。又西有漠谷水,又有武亭水,自县东北流合焉。俱汇於湋水。)<br>    永寿(州北。东有泾水。西南有锦川河,下流为漠谷水。有土副巡检司。又有穆陵关。)<br>    邠州(元直隶陕西行省。)洪武中来属,以州治新平县省入。(北有泾水。西南有白土川,亦名漆水,东南注於渭水。与入洛之漆异。)东南距府三百五十<br>里。领县三:淳化(州东。南有黄嵚山。西有泾水。东有清水,南流入耀州界。)<br>    三水(州东北。成化十三年九月析淳化县地置。东南有石门山。东有三水河,一名汃水,西南流入泾水。东南有石门巡检司。)<br>    长武(州西北。万历十一年三月以邠州宜禄镇置。北有泾水,自泾州流入。南有汭水,一名宜禄水,亦自泾州流入,径县东停口镇,与黑水河合,入於泾水。<br>西有窑店巡检司,本名宜禄,治宜禄镇。弘治十七年迁於正东之冉杏,仍故名。万历十一年又迁,更名。)<br><br>    凤翔府(元属陕西行省。)洪武二年三月因之。领州一,县七。东距布政司三百四十里。<br>    凤翔(倚。永乐二十二年建郑王府。正统八年迁於河南怀庆府。东北有杜阳山,杜水所出。西北有雍山,雍水出焉,下流合漆水入渭。又东南有横水,亦曰<br>横渠,东入渭。)<br>    岐山(府东。东北有岐山。又有梁山。又北有武将山。南有渭水,西北有岐水,又东有湋水,俱流入扶凤县界。又南有斜谷水,北入渭。)<br>    宝鸡(府西南。东南有陈仓山。西南有大散岭,大散关在焉。又有和尚原,接凤县界。南有渭河,东有汧河流入焉。又东南有箕谷水,有洛谷水,俱北入渭。<br>西南有益门镇二里散关、东南有虢川二巡检司。又东南有金牙关。)<br>    扶凤(府东。西南有渭河。东有漆河,又有雍水自东南流入焉,又南有湋河,俱流入武功县界。)<br>    郿(府东南。元属奉元路。洪武二年来属。西有衙岭山,褒水出其南,流入沔,斜水出其北,流入渭。西有五丈原。又西南有斜谷,南入汉中,有斜谷关。<br>北有渭水。)<br>    麟游(府东北。西有漆水,南有麟游水,下流俱入於渭。西南又有杜水,亦曰杜阳川,东入漆。西北有石窑关巡检司。)<br>    汧阳(府西少北。元属陇州。嘉靖三十八年十一月改属府。旧治在县西,嘉靖二十七年徙於今治。南有汧河。)<br><br>    陇州(元属巩昌总帅府。延祐四年十一月省州治汧源县入州。)洪武二年来属。(西北有陇山,上有关曰陇关,亦曰大震关,一名故关,有故关大寨巡检司。<br>又有安夷关,亦曰新关。又西有小陇山,一名关山。又西南有岍山,汧水出焉。南有吴山,即吴岳,古文以为岍山。西南有白环谷,白环水出焉。西有弦蒲薮,<br>汭水出焉,下流合於泾水。南有渭水。西南有方山原。又南有陇安、西南有香泉二巡检司。)东南距府百八十里。<br><br>    汉中府(元兴元路,属陕西行省。)洪武三年五月为府。六月改名汉中府。领州一,县八。东北距布政司九百六十里。<br>    南郑(倚。万历二十九年十月建瑞王府。西南有巴岭山,南连孤云、两角、米仓诸山,达四川之巴州。南滨汉水,又曰沔水,源自嶓冢,经县界,下流至湖<br>广汉阳府入大江。又有沮水,汉水别源也,又西北有褒水,俱流入汉水。南有青石关巡检司。)<br>    褒城(府西北。洪武十年六月省入南郑县,后复置。东北有褒谷,自此出连云栈,北抵斜谷之道也。南有沔水,即汉水也。又有廉水,又城东有褒水,西南<br>有让水,一名逊水,下流俱入沔水。北有鸡头关巡检司。又有虎头关。西北有汉阳关。)<br>    城固(府东少北。南有汉水。东北有壻水,又名智水,下流入汉水。又西北有黑水,或云即褒水之上源。)<br>    洋(府东南。元洋州。洪武三年降为县。十年六月省入西乡,后复置。北有兴势山。东有黄金谷。南有汉水。西北有壻水,西有灙水,亦曰骆谷水,又<br>东有酉水,俱南入汉。)<br>    西乡(府东南。东有饶风岭,有关。北有汉水。东有洋水,即清凉川也,西北合木马河入汉。东南有盐场关、西南有大巴山、东北有子午镇三巡检司。)<br>    凤(府西北。元凤州。洪武七年七月降为县。南有武都山。北有嘉陵江,源出县之嘉陵谷,下流至四川巴县入於大江。又东有大散水,亦注於嘉陵江。东北<br>有清风阁巡检司。南有留坝巡检司,后迁废丘关,又迁柴关,仍故名。南有仙人关。西有马岭关。)<br>    沔(府西。元沔州,属四川广元路。洪武三年改属汉中府,省州治铎水县入州。七年七月降为县。十年六月省入略阳,后复置。成化二十一年六月属宁羌州。<br>嘉靖三十八年十一月仍属府。北有铁山。东南有定军山。南有汉水。西有沮水,又有大安水,南入於汉。西南有大安县,洪武初废。又西有石顶关。)<br><br>    宁羌州(本宁羌卫。)洪武三十年九月以沔县之大安地置。成化二十一年六月置州,属府。(东北有五丁山,亦曰金牛峡。北有嶓冢山,汉水出焉,亦曰漾<br>水,下流至湖广汉阳县合大江。又东有嘉陵江,西有西汉水合焉。西南有白水,自洮州卫流经此,亦曰葭萌水,有白水关,其下流至四川昭化县合於嘉陵江。又<br>东北有浕水,流入漾水,谓之浕口。又东有沮水。北有阳平关巡检司。)东北距府三百里。领县一:<br>    略阳(州北。元属沔州。洪武三年属府。成化二十一年六月改来属。西有盘龙山。东南有飞仙岭,栈道所经也。东有沮水,为汉水之别源。南有嘉陵江,西<br>北有犀牛江,即西汉水也。又西有白水江。东北有九股树、西有罝口二巡检司。又西北有白水镇巡检司,后废。)<br><br>    延安府(元延安路,属陕西行省。)洪武二年五月为府。领州三,县十六。南距布政司七百四十里。<br>    肤施(倚。东有延水,又有清化水流入焉。)<br>    安塞(府西北。西有洛水。北有延水,出县西北之芦关岭,又东南有西川水,北有金明川,俱流入焉。又北有塞门守御千户所,洪武十二年置。西南有敷政巡<br>检司。)<br>    甘泉(府西南。北有野猪峡。西有洛河,南有伏陆水流入焉。又东北有库利川。)<br>    安定(府东北。北有高柏山,怀宁河出焉,东流入於无定河。西北有白洛城,洪武三年筑。)<br>    保安(府西北。西南有洛河,有吃莫河流入焉。北有大盐池。又西有靖边守御千户所,隆庆元年二月置。北有顺宁巡检司。)<br>    宜川(府东。南有孟门山,在大河中流。又西南有银川水,北有汾川水,西南有丹阳诸川,俱流入大河。)<br>    延川(府东少北。东滨大河。北有吐延川,合清涧水,流注於大河。又东北有永宁关,临河。)<br>    延长(府东。东滨河。南有延水,流入大河。)<br>    青涧(府东北。元属绥德州。嘉靖四十一年改属府。东有黄河,东北有无定河流入焉。又西有青涧河。)<br><br>    鄜州(东有洛水,南与单池水合,又名三川水。西有直罗巡检司。)北距府百八十里。领县三:<br>    洛川(州东南。西南有洛水。东南有鄜城巡检司。)<br>    中部(州南。北有桥山,亦曰子午岭,沮水出焉。西北有谷河及子午水,俱入於沮水。又东北有洛水。)<br>    宜君(州南。西南有玉华山,又有凤凰谷。东有洛水。东北有沮水。)<br><br>    绥德州洪武十年五月省入府,后复置。(南有魏平关。东有黄河。城东有无定河,一名奢延水,亦曰圁水,西北有大理水流入焉。东北有官菜园渡口巡检<br>司。)西南距府三百六十里。领县一:<br>    米脂(州北。西有无定河。有大理水,又有小理水,西北有明堂川,俱流入无定河。北有碎金镇、西南有克戎寨二巡检司。又西有银州关,成化七年修筑。)<br>    葭州洪武七年十一月降为县,属绥德州。十三年十一月复升为州,属府。(东滨大河,西有葭芦河,城东有真乡川流合焉。)西南距府五百八十里。领县三:<br>    吴堡(州南。元属州。洪武七年十一月改属绥德,寻省。十三年十一月复置,还属。东滨河。)<br>    神木(州北。洪武初省。十三年十一月复置。西北有杨家城,正统五年移县治焉。成化中,复还故治。南有大河。北有浊轮川。西南有屈野川。)<br>    府谷(州东北。洪武初省。十三年十一月复置。东滨大河,北有清水川入焉。)<br><br>    庆阳府(元属巩昌总帅府。)洪武二年五月直隶行省。领州一,县四。东南距布政司五百七十里。<br>    安化(倚。洪武二十四年四月建庆王府。二十六年迁於宁夏卫。元省。洪武中复置。东北有白於山,洛水所出。又城东有东河,西有西河,流合焉,下流为<br>马莲河。又西有黑水河,源出县北之太白山,下流至长武县合於泾河。东北有槐安、北有定边二巡检司。又西南有驿马关、又有灵州、又有大盐池三巡检司,废。)<br>    合水(府东南。东有建水,西有北岔河,流合焉,谓之合水,西南入马莲河。又东北有华池水,有平戎川流合焉,东入鄜州之洛河。有华池巡检司。)<br>    环(府西北。元环州,属巩昌总帅府。洪武初,降为县,来属。西有环河,出县北青冈峡,下流为府城之西河。又南有黑水河,又有碱河,西南有甘河,俱<br>注於环河。又西有葫芦泉。西北有清平关。西北有安边守御千户所,弘治中置。)<br>    真宁(府东南。元属宁州。万历二十九年改属府。西有马莲河。南有大陵、小陵诸水,即九陵川之上源也。东有雕山岭巡检司。)<br>    宁州(元属巩昌总帅府。)洪武中来属。(东有横岭,又有九龙川,亦曰宁江,亦曰九陵川,西南流,会上流群川,而南注於泾河。东北有襄乐巡检司。)<br>北距府百五十里。<br><br>    平凉府(元属巩昌总帅府。)洪武三年五月直隶行省。领州三,县七。东南距布政司六百五十里。<br>    平凉(倚。洪武二十四年建安王府。永乐十五年除。二十二年,韩王府自辽东开原迁此。西南有可蓝山。西有崆峒山。又有笄头山,泾水出焉,下流至高陵<br>县入渭。又西有横河,东有湫峪河,俱流入泾河。又西有群牧监。洪武三十年置陕西行太仆寺。永乐四年置陕西苑马寺,领长乐等六监,开成等二十四苑,俱在<br>本府及庆阳、巩昌境内。正统三年又并甘肃苑马寺入焉。又东有通梢关。)<br>    崇信(府东南。北有汭水。西南有赤城川,南有白石川流合焉。下流合於泾水。)<br>    华亭(府南。西有小陇山。西北有瓦亭山,有瓦亭关巡检司,所谓东瓦亭也。东北有泾河。东南有汭水。又东南有三乡镇,北有马铺岭二巡检司。)<br>    镇原(府东北。元镇原州,属巩昌总帅府。洪武初,降为县,来属。西北有胡卢河,分二流,一北注於黄河,其支流东南注於泾河。南有高平川,流入胡卢<br>河。西有安平寨巡检司。西北有萧关。西南有木峡关。又西有石峡关。南有驿藏、木靖二关。)<br>    隆德(府西南。元属靖宁州。嘉靖三十八年十一月改属府。东有好水,西流与苦水合。西北有武延川,流入好水。东南有捺龙川,流入苦水。)<br><br>    泾州(元直隶陕西行省。)洪武三年以州治泾川县省入,来属。(旧治在泾水北。今治本皇甫店,洪武三年徙於此。北有泾河,有汭水。东有金家凹巡检司。)<br>西北距府百五十里。领县一:<br>    灵台(州东南。西北有白石原。东北有三香水,一名三交川,下流至邠州合泾水。又西南有细川水,东北流合於三交川。)<br><br>    静宁州(元属巩昌总帅府。)洪武中来属。(南有陇山。北有横山,即陇山支阜。南有水洛川,一名石门水,下流至秦州入略阳川。又西有苦水河,即高平<br>川之上源。)东距府二百三十里。领县一:<br>    庄浪(州东南。元庄浪州,直隶陕西行省。洪武三年属凤翔府。八年三月降为县,来属。西有苦水川。)<br><br>    固原州本固原守御千户所,景泰三年以故原州城置。成化四年升为卫。弘治十五年置州,属府。(西南有六盘山,上有六盘关,东北有清水河出焉,下流合<br>镇原县之胡卢河。又北有黑水,北流入於大河。又东西有二朝那湫,其下流注於高平川。南有开成州,元直隶陕西行省,治开成县。洪武二年省州,以县属平凉<br>府。成化三年废县。又东南有广安州,元属开成州,洪武二年省。又西有甘州群牧所,永乐中置。又西北有西安守御千户所,成化五年以旧西安州置。北有镇戎<br>守御千户所,成化十二年以葫芦峡城置。东北有平虏守御千户所,弘治十四年以旧豫望城置。又北有下马关,嘉靖五年置。)东南距府百七十里。<br><br>    巩昌府(元属巩昌总帅府。)洪武二年四月直隶行省。领州三,县十四。东距布政司千六十里。<br>    陇西(倚。西有首阳山,上有关。北滨渭水,东有赤亭水,西流入焉。)<br>    安定(府北。元定西州,属巩昌总帅府。至正十二年三月改名安定州。洪武十年降为县,属府。北有车道岘。西有西河,东有东河,流合焉。北有巉口巡检<br>司。)<br>    会宁(府东北。元会州,属巩昌总帅府。至正十二年三月改为会宁州。洪武十年降为县,属府。东有响水,北流入大河。东有青家巡检司。)<br>    通渭(府东北。北滨渭,西有华川,东流入焉。)<br>    漳(府南。西南有故城。今治,正统中所徙。西北有西倾山。南有漳水,北流入渭。东南有盐井。)<br>    宁远(府东。南有太阳山,旧产铁。北有桃花峡,两山夹峙,渭水经其中。西有广吴水,又有山丹水,俱源出岷州,并流北注渭。)<br>    伏羌(府东。西南有朱圉山,俗名白崖山。北有渭水,西南有永宁河,西有洛门川,俱东北注於渭。)<br>    西和(府东南。元西和州,属巩昌总帅府。洪武十年降为县,属府。旧治在西南白石镇,洪武中,移於今治。北有祁山。南有黑谷山,上有关。西北有西汉<br>水,亦曰盐官水。西南有浊水,即白朱江也。东北有盐井。)<br>    成(府东南。元成州,属巩昌总帅府。洪武十年降为县,属府。西北有仇池山。东南有西汉水。西南有浊水,又西有建安水,又有洛谷川,俱流入西汉水。<br>又东有泥阳水,下流至徽州界入嘉陵江。又北有黄渚关巡检司。)<br><br>    秦州(元属巩昌总帅府。)洪武二年属府,省州治成纪县入州。(西南有嶓冢山,西汉水出焉,下流至宁羌州合嘉陵江。东北有渭水,有秦水东流入渭。又<br>西有西谷水,下流入西汉水。又南有籍水,西南有段谷水流入焉。又东有长离水,即瓦亭川下流也,俱流入於渭。南有高桥巡检司。又有石榴关。又有现子关。)<br>西距府三百里。领县三:<br>    秦安(州北。东有大陇山。又东北有瓦亭山,所谓西瓦亭也。城南有渭水。又西有陇水,瓦亭川自东北流合焉。又东有松多川,下流入於秦水。又东有陇城<br>关巡检司。)<br>    清水(州东。东有陇山,有盘岭巡检司。西南又有小陇山。西有渭水。东有秦水,南有清水流入焉。)<br>    礼(州西南。元礼店文州军民元帅府,属吐蕃宣慰司。洪武四年十一月置礼店千户所。十一年属岷州卫。十五年改属秦州卫。成化九年十二月置礼县於所城,<br>属州。故城在东。洪武四年移於今治。东南有西汉水。西南有岷峨山,岷江出焉,东南流入阶州界合於西汉水。又西有漩水镇、南有板桥山二巡检司。)<br><br>    阶州(元属巩昌总帅府。)洪武四年降为县,属府。十年六月复为州。(旧城在东南坻龙冈上。今城,洪武五年所置。北有白水江。东北有犀牛江,即西汉<br>水也。又西北有羌水,下流合白水江。又东有七防关巡检司。)西北距府八百里。<br>领县一:<br>    文(州东南。元文州。至元九年十月置,属吐蕃宣慰司。洪武四年降为县,属府。十年六月改属州。二十三年三月省。成化九年十二月复置,仍属州。东南<br>有青唐岭,路入四川龙安府。东有白水,西有黑水,流合焉。又北有羌水,一名太白水。东有文县守御千户所,本文州番汉千户所,洪武四年四月置。二十三年<br>改文县守御军民千户所。成化九年更今名。又东有玉垒关。西北有临江关。)<br><br>    徽州(元属巩昌总帅府。)洪武十年六月降为县,属府,后复升为州。(东南有铁山。南有嘉陵江,又有河池水流入焉。又南有虞关巡检司。西南有小河关。<br>)西北距府四百八十里。领县一:<br>    两当(州东。洪武十年六月省入徽县,后复置,属州。南有嘉陵江。)<br><br>    临洮府元临洮府,属巩昌总帅府。泰定元年九月改为临兆路。)洪武二年九月仍为府。领州二,县三。南距布政司千二百六十里。<br>    狄道(倚。西南有常家山,与西倾山相接。北有马寒山,浩尾河出於其北,阿干河出於其南,俱东流入大河。又西南有洮河,自洮州卫流入。又东有东峪河,<br>南有邦金川,皆流会洮河。北有摩云岭巡检司。又北有打壁峪关,有结河关。南有南关,有下衬关,有八角关、十八盘关。西有三坌关,有分水岭关。)<br>    渭源(府东少南。西有南谷山,渭水所出。又有鸟鼠山,渭水所经,东至华阴县入大河。又西有分水岭,东流者入渭,西流者入洮,上有分水岭关巡检司。<br>又西南有五竹山,清源河出焉,迳县东南入渭。)<br>    <br>兰州(元属巩昌总帅府。)洪武二年九月降为县,来属。成化十三年九月复为州。(建文元年,肃王府自甘州卫迁此。南有皋兰山。北滨大河,所谓金城河<br>也,湟水自西,洮水、阿干河俱自南,先后流入焉。又西南有漓水,合於洮水。北有金城关,下有镇远浮桥,有河桥巡检司。西北有京玉关,南有阿干镇关。西<br>南有凤林关。)南距府二百十里。领县一:<br>    金(州东少南。元金州,属巩昌总帅府。洪武二年九月降为县,属府。成化十三年改属州。旧城在南,洪武中,移於今治。北有大河,东北流乱山中,入靖<br>虏卫界。又南有浩尾河,一名闪门河,入於大河。东北有一条城,万历二十五年置。)<br>    <br>河州(元河州路,属吐蕃宣慰司。)洪武四年正月置河州卫,属西安都卫。六年正月置河州府,属陕西行中书省。七年七月置西安行都卫於此,领河州、朵<br>甘、乌斯藏三卫。八年十月改行都卫为陕西行都指挥使司。九年十二月,行都指挥使司废,卫属陕西都指挥使司。十年分卫为左右。十二年七月,府废,改左卫<br>于洮州,升右卫为军民指挥使司。成化九年十二月置州,属府,改军民指挥使司为卫。(西南有雪山,与洮州界。西北有小积石山,上有关。大河自塞外大积石<br>山东北流,迳此,又迳榆林卫北,折而南,与山西中流分界,至潼关卫北,折而东,入河南界,回环陕西境四千余里。南有大夏河,即漓水也,亦曰白石川。又<br>西北有积石州,元属吐蕃宣慰司,洪武四年正月改置积石州千户所。西南有贵德州,元属吐蕃宣慰司,洪武八年正月改置归德守御千户所。又南有宁河县,东北<br>有安乡县,元俱属河州路,洪武三年废,六年复置。十二年复废。又东南有定羌巡检司。)东北距府百八十里。<br><br>    灵州(元属宁夏府路。)洪武三年罢。弘治十三年九月复置,直隶布政司。(大河在城北,洛浦河自南流入焉。南有小盐池。)距布政司九百九十三里。<br><br>    兴安州(元金州,属兴元路。)万历十一年八月更名。二十三年直隶布政司。(旧治汉水北,后迁水南。万历十一年又迁故城南三里许。北有汉水。又西有衡<br>河,亦曰恒河,下流入汉江。东北有乾祐关巡检司,废。)领县六。西北距布政司六百四十里。<br>    平利(州南少东。元末省。洪武三年置,属四川大宁州。五年二月来属。十年六月复省,后复置。东有女娲山,灌溪水出焉,西北与黄洋河合,入於汉。南<br>有镇坪巡检司。)<br>    石泉(州西。元末省。洪武三年置,属四川大宁州。五年二月来属。嘉靖三十八年十一月改属汉中府。万历十一年还属州。南有十八盘山,有汉江。西有饶<br>风河,东有迟河,俱入汉。又西有饶风岭巡检司,本治县东迟河口,后迁下饶风铺,更名。)<br>    洵阳(州东。元末省。洪武三年复置。五年二月来属。东北有水银山,产水银、朱砂。南有汉江,东有旬水流入焉。又有乾祐河,自西北流入旬水。东有闾<br>关、西北有三岔二巡检司。)<br>    汉阴(州西少北。元末省。洪武三年复置。十年六月省入石泉县,后复置,属州。嘉靖三十八年十一月改属汉中府。万历十一年还属州。南有汉水。东北有<br>直水,又有恒河,俱流入汉水。又西有方山关。)<br>    白河(州东南。成化十二年十二月以洵阳县白河堡置,属湖广郧阳府。十三年九月来属。北有汉江,东入湖广郧西县界。南有白石河,分二流,俱北注於汉。)<br>    紫阳(州西南。正德七年十一月以金州紫阳堡置。初治紫阳滩之左,嘉靖三十五年迁於滩右。西有汉江。)<br><br>    洮州卫(元洮州,属吐蕃宣慰司。)洪武四年正月置洮州军民千户所,属河州卫。十二年二月升为洮州卫军民指挥使司,属陕西都司。(西南有西倾山,桓<br>水出焉,下流为白水江,又漒川亦出焉,一名洮水。又北有石岭山,上有石岭关。东有黑松岭,上有松岭关。又东有黑石关、三岔关、高楼关。北有羊撒关。<br>西南有新桥关、洮州关。东南有旧桥关。)南距布政司千六百七十里。<br><br>    岷州卫(元岷州,以旧祐川县地置,属吐番宣慰司。)洪武四年正月置岷州千户所,属河州卫。十一年七月升为卫,属陕西都司。十五年四月升军民指挥使<br>司。嘉靖二十四年又置州,改军民指挥使司为卫。四十年闰五月,州废,仍置军民指挥使司。(洪武二十四年建岷王府。二十六年迁云南。北有岷山,洮河经其<br>下。南有白水,一名临江。又东有石关。东北有铁州,元属吐蕃宣慰司。洪武四年正月置铁城千户所,属河州卫,后废。)领所一。南距布政司千五百五十里。<br>    西固城守御军民千户所(卫南。本西固城千户所,洪武七年三月置,属巩昌府。十五年四月改置,来属。南有白水。北有化石关。西北有平定关。)<br><br>    榆林卫&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; 成化六年三月以榆林川置。其城,正统二年所筑也。(西有奢延水,西北有黑水,经卫南,为三岔川流入焉。又北有大河,自宁夏卫东北流经此,西<br>经旧丰州西,折而东,经三受降城南,折而南,经旧东胜卫,又东入山西平虏卫界,地可二千里。大河三面环之,所谓河套也。洪武中,为内地。天顺后,元裔<br>阿罗出、毛里孩、孛罗出相继居之。西南有盐池,旧属宁夏卫,嘉靖九年来属。又卫东有长盐池、红盐池。西有西红盐池、锅底池。又东有长乐堡,分辖双山等<br>十二营堡,为中路。又有神木堡,分辖镇羌等九营堡,为东路。西有安边营,分辖永济等十二营堡,为西路。俱成化后置。又北有边墙,成化九年筑,长一千七<br>百七十余里,东起清水营,接山西偏头关界,西抵定边营,接宁夏花马池界。)南距布政司千一百二十里。<br><br>    宁夏卫(元宁夏府路,属甘肃行省。)洪武三年为府。五年,府废。二十六年七月置卫。二十八年四月罢。永乐元年正月复置。(洪武二十六年,庆王府自<br>庆阳府迁此。西有贺兰山。又西南有峡口山,黄河流其中,一名青铜硖。黄河出硖东流,亦曰三岔河。又东有黑水河,南有清水河,即葫芦河下流也,俱注於黄<br>河。有宁夏群牧千户所,洪武二十七年十二月置。)领千户所四。东南距布政司千四百里。<br>    灵州守御千户所(卫东南。洪武十六年十月置,治在河口。宣德三年二月徙於城东。弘治十三年九月复置灵州於所城。)<br>    兴武守御千户所(卫东南。正德元年以兴武营置。)<br>韦州守御千户所(卫东南。弘治十年以故韦州置。西有大蠡山。南有小蠡山。东有东湖。)<br>    平虏千户所(卫北少东。嘉靖三十年以平虏城置。东北有老虎山,滨大河。北有镇远关。)<br><br>    宁夏前卫在宁夏城内,洪武十七年置。<br>    ○宁夏左屯卫<br>    宁夏右屯卫亦俱在宁夏城内,洪武二十五年二月置,后废。三十五年十二月复置。<br>    宁夏后卫本花马池守御千户所,成化十五年置。正德元年改卫。其城,正统九年所筑也。(东北有方山。西有花马池。西北有大盐池。又西有小盐池。东有<br>长城关,正德初置。)东南距布政司千一百二十里。<br>    宁夏中卫(元应理州,属宁夏府路。)洪武三年州废。永乐元年正月置卫。(西有沙山,一名万斛堆。大河在南。又西南有温围水,流入大河。又有裴家川。<br>又东南有鸣沙州,元属宁夏府路。洪武初废。)南距布政司千一百十里。<br>    靖虏卫正统二年以故会州地置,属陕西都司。(南有乌兰山,上有乌兰关。北有大河。西南有祖厉河,东北有亥刺河,皆注於大河。西南有会宁关。)南距<br>布政司千二百二十里。<br><br>    陕西行都指挥使司(元甘肃等处行中书省,治甘州路。)洪武五年十一月置<br><br>甘肃卫。二十五年罢。二十六年,陕西行都指挥使司自庄浪徙置於此。领卫十二,守御千户所四。距布政司二千六百四十五里。<br>    甘州左卫(倚。元甘州路。)洪武初废。二十三年十二月置甘州左卫。二十七年十一月罢。二十八年六月复置。(洪武二十五年三月建肃王府。建文元年迁<br>於兰县。西南有祁连山。西北有合黎山。东北有人祖山,山口有关,曰山南,嘉靖二十七年置。又东北有居延海。西有弱水,出西南山谷中,下流入焉。又有张<br>掖河,流合弱水,其支流曰黑水河,仍合於张掖河。又东南有卢水,亦曰沮渠川。)<br>    甘州右卫、甘州中卫俱洪武二十五年三月置。<br>    甘州前卫、甘州后卫俱洪武二十九年置。四卫俱与甘州左卫同城。<br>    肃州卫(元肃州路,属甘肃行省。)洪武二十七年十一月置卫。(西有嘉峪山,其西麓即嘉峪关也。弘治七年正月扁关曰镇西。西南有小昆仑山,亦曰雪山,<br>与甘州山相接。北有讨来河,东会於张掖河。西南有白水,又西北有黑水,东南有红水,俱流入白水,下流入西宁卫之西海。又东北有威虏卫,洪武中置,永乐<br>三年三月省。)东距行都司五百十里。<br>    山丹卫(元山丹州,直隶甘肃行省。)洪武初废。二十三年九月置卫,属陕西都司,后来属。(东南有焉支山。西有删丹河,即弱水也。北有红盐池。)西<br>距行都司百八十里。<br>    永昌卫(元永昌路,属甘肃行省,至正三年七月改永昌等处宣慰司。)洪武初废。十五年三月置卫,属陕西都司,后来属。(北有金山,丽水出焉。西南有<br>白岭山,亦曰雪山。西有水磨川,上有水磨关。又东南有蹇占河。)西北距行都司三百十里。<br>    凉州卫(元西凉州,属永昌路。)洪武九年十月置卫,属陕西都司,后来属。<br>(南有天梯山,三岔河出焉。东南有洪池岭。又东北有白亭海,有潴野泽。又西有土弥干川,即五涧水也,亦出天梯山,下流合於三岔河。又东有杂木口关。又<br>有凉州土卫,洪武七年十月置。)西北距行都司五百里。<br>    镇番卫本临河卫,洪武中,以小河滩城置。三十年正月更名。建文中罢。永乐元年六月复置。(西有黑河,即张掖河下流也。又东有三岔河。南有小河。西<br>有盐池。西南有黑山关。)西距行都司五百五十里。<br>    <br>庄浪卫洪武五年十一月以永昌地置。十二年正月置陕西行都指挥使司於卫城。二十六年,行都司徙於甘州。建文中,改卫为守御千户所。洪武三十五年十月复<br>改所为卫,属陕西都司,后来属。(东有大松山。其北有小松山。西有分水岭,南出者为庄浪河,北出者为古浪河。又南有大通河,与庄浪河合,北流经卫西,<br>入於沙漠。)北距行都司九百四十里。<br>西宁卫(元西宁州,直隶甘肃行省。)洪武初废。六年正月置卫。宣德七年十一月升军民指挥使司,属陕西都司,后来属。(西南有小积石山,与河州接界。<br>东南有峡口山,亦曰湟峡。南有大河,自西域流入,回环於陕西、山西、河南、山东四布政司,及南直隶之地,几至万里,至淮安府清河县,南合长淮,又东至<br>安东县南入於海。又北有湟水,即苏木连河也,东入大河。又西南有赐支河,又城北有西宁河,皆流入大河。又西北有浩亹水,西南有宗哥川,俱流合於湟水。<br>又西有西海,亦名卑禾羌海,俗呼青海。西北有赤海。又有乌海盐池。东南有绥远关。)西北距行都司千三百五十里。<br>    碾伯守御千户所本碾北地。洪武十一年三月置庄浪分卫。七月改置碾北卫,后废,而徙西宁卫右千户所於此。成化中更名。(南有碾伯河。)西北距行都司<br>千二百三十里。<br>    沙州卫(元沙州路,属甘肃行省。)洪武初废。永乐元年置卫。正统间废。(南有鸣沙山。东南有三危山。又东有龙勒山,又有渥洼水。西有瓜州,元属沙<br>州路,洪武初废。)东距行都司千三百六十里。<br>    镇夷守御千户所洪武三十年以甘州卫地置。建文二年罢。永乐元年复置所,旧在西北,天顺八年移於今治。(南有黑河,即张掖河也。西南有盐池。北有兔<br>儿关。)东南距行都司三百里。<br>    古浪守御千户所正统三年六月以庄浪卫地置。(古浪河在东。又南有古浪关。东有石峡关。)东南距行都司六百四十里。<br>    高台守御千户所景泰七年以甘州卫之高台站置。(弱水在北。又西有合黎山。西南有白城山。)东南距行都司一百六十里。<br><br><br><br>

[ 本帖最后由 林忠辉 于 2009-3-26 15:24 编辑 ]
作者: 林忠辉    时间: 2009-3-26 16:08
标题: 回复 40# linfeng1026 的帖子
壬申年即洪武25年,官职是朱元璋送的,协镇,是否就是副将、副总兵(明朝),为从二品武官,但协镇在清代相当于副总兵,而副总兵在明代是从二品武官,如果林濂是洪武21年的进士,不太可能在四年之后,就做到从二品的副总兵的武官位置的。上安府也不好查,没有至少明史里头没有。
作者: 3116631    时间: 2009-3-26 17:05
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">infenq</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生家譜中</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">赐进士</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这句话</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我原先理解林濂的进士是赐的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">是理觧錯了</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">40#</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">帖中有</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” <FONT face=宋体>如果皇帝三甲录取的进士都有赐</FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这句话</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">只是想说明林濂洪武戊辰年一甲笫三名进士</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">和朱棣</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">靖难之役</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">结朿登上帝位后</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">给林濂</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">赐进士</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">時间上对不上</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">相差</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">15</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">有问题</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">不是坚持</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">赐进士</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">原先的錯误理觧</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
作者: 3116631    时间: 2009-3-26 17:47
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">回</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">29#lam</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生帖</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">孔繁颢写的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">” </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先贤林氏宗谱序</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">”, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生说在褔迠省林氏研究会列看了一下</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">是孔繁颢原文么</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">? </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">按理原文只能保存在</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">linfenq</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生这支人族谱中</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">怎么会落到别的地方呢</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">? </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">有什么揭示么</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">? </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">如果不是原文</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">说明这支人和其他世系交往甚密</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生说</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">lifenq</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">先生传來的谱系令人费觧</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">能说说是什么令人费解么</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">?</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
作者: 林忠辉    时间: 2009-3-26 18:14
查莆田县志新修,也没有林濂<br><br><br><br>
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-26 21:27
颜希深(1729—1780年),字若愚,号静山,又号浚溪,广东连平县元善镇人,贡生出身。乾隆十八年(1753年),颜希深任泰安知府。作《林放故里考》一文。林放是殷代忠臣比干的后裔。殷纣王无道,荒淫暴虐。比干秉忠直谏,为此触怒纣王,被剖心杀害,其子坚,逃至泰安“城东南百八十里”放城镇(现属泰安所辖县级市新泰)北部的长林山避难,周武王克商,赐姓林氏。颜希深作《林放故里考》认定,在“城东南百八十里”之“泰安崇礼乡放城集(旧名放城镇)为林放故里”“可信”。由于颜希深作《林放放里考》十分专业,解释起来非常复杂,恕不照录原文,只将林放其人其事简述于此。 ;《林放故里考》字里行间反映出颜希深博览群书、穷究经典的文化修养,以及躬行实践、格物致知的治学方法。颜希深既勤于政务处理,又潜心学术研究,确有古代士大夫之风范。
乾隆四十五年(1780年)农历四月,颜希深先出任贵州巡抚,后又调任云南巡抚;七月,因积劳成疾卒于任上,后归葬广东长宁(今新丰县)锡场镇(现归东源县),终年五十一岁。颜希深著有《静山奏议》及诗文集,入清代汉族名宦列传。
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-26 21:31
标题: 先贤林放画像
先贤
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-26 21:44
“又西过羊祜厅南,又西过龙乡故城南而注。云云山东南八十里为放城,林放故里也,有唐太和残碑。” ---《泰山道里记》  (清)聂鈫
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-26 21:56
顺治十年(1653年)十月泰安放城乡民郗姓等重修林放祠,新泰知县卢纟宏为撰记
碑。〔卢纟宏《先贤林子放祠记》(《四照堂文集》卷十)〕
作者: linfeng1026    时间: 2009-3-26 22:08
中国最早的姓氏书《风俗通》在谈到林姓的起源时说:"林氏,林放之后。"而根据林姓宗谱,林放为比干的后代。因此,称比干后裔为林姓主源之说殆无疑义。
出自姬姓林开的一支林姓,虽非林姓主源,但也为林姓的发展作出了贡献,据一些林姓家谱所记,林姓的南安郡望就是周平王庶子林开后裔迁往南安而形成的。
在今天的林姓人中,还有唐代福建建州一带姓林的少数民族后裔
作者: 林文健    时间: 2009-4-13 01:21
我家谱牒谱序是崇祯三年二月林润立碑所做,还有就是乾隆二十二年三月逸士王飞翁(据说是和珅)撰写的谱序。
但我看两个版本,也是不一样。我还不清楚。




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